Red Mosquito

elliseamos wrote: 2) so it's okay for tax payers to pay for, and be at, war ad infinitum as long as it keeps americans working?

Well, we could build ghost cities like China does or just let people starve to death like India. But this is not particular relevant to the shutdown, even by N&D standards.

broken iris wrote:

elliseamos wrote: 2) so it's okay for tax payers to pay for, and be at, war ad infinitum as long as it keeps americans working?

Well, we could build ghost cities like China does or just let people starve to death like India. But this is not particular relevant to the shutdown, even by N&D standards.

my point is that not a minute's thought was given to not funding our military (and the workers and companies that butter their bread with tax payer dollars). not to mention, we do have people starving (those not getting their foodstamps) due to the shutdown. detroit's pretty close to ghost town, although that's pre-shutdown.

elliseamos wrote:

broken iris wrote:

elliseamos wrote: 2) so it's okay for tax payers to pay for, and be at, war ad infinitum as long as it keeps americans working?

Well, we could build ghost cities like China does or just let people starve to death like India. But this is not particular relevant to the shutdown, even by N&D standards.

my point is that not a minute's thought was given to not funding our military (and the workers and companies that butter their bread with tax payer dollars). not to mention, we do have people starving (those not getting their foodstamps) due to the shutdown. detroit's pretty close to ghost town, although that's pre-shutdown.

The sequester does cut defense spending:



And China literally builds ghost towns to keep people employed:

http://gizmodo.com/chinas-replica-of-pa ... 1055641763


But the point is that this mess is not about actually about cutting spending. It's become solely about politicians egos and a misguided last ditch effort to stop the ACA that is risking the dollar's status as a reserve currency should we default in two weeks.

Heard yesterday that a bunch of people on a small contractor we used to work got fired rather than furloughed. They can reapply for their jobs when the government reopens, but "there may be salary and benefit adjustments associated with reentering an employment agreement."

broken iris wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

broken iris wrote:

elliseamos wrote: 2) so it's okay for tax payers to pay for, and be at, war ad infinitum as long as it keeps americans working?

Well, we could build ghost cities like China does or just let people starve to death like India. But this is not particular relevant to the shutdown, even by N&D standards.

my point is that not a minute's thought was given to not funding our military (and the workers and companies that butter their bread with tax payer dollars). not to mention, we do have people starving (those not getting their foodstamps) due to the shutdown. detroit's pretty close to ghost town, although that's pre-shutdown.

The sequester does cut defense spending:

we aren't talking about the sequester, so I don't see how that has anything to do with the shutdown.

Alright, this is just taking the government shutdown too far!

Did LittleWing really not sign up for the new board?

B wrote:Did LittleWing really not sign up for the new board?

Yeah, I would love to hear his take on this.

elliseamos wrote: we aren't talking about the sequester, so I don't see how that has anything to do with the shutdown.

A moments thought was given to not funding the military. They hand tens of thousands of furloughs and special bill was passed so that active duty soldiers serving in combat zones still get paid. I was trying to point out the military is being reduced by the sequester and ramp down in war spending, but military spending is irrelevant to the shutdown. This is brinksmanship about their pride (and the ACA).

http://www.joplinglobe.com/dailybusines ... ft-brewers



Fuck this shutdown. Fuck it right in it's stupid face.

@SkitchP wrote:http://www.joplinglobe.com/dailybusiness/x2112891865/Shutdown-means-no-new-beer-from-craft-brewers



Fuck this shutdown. Fuck it right in it's stupid face.

Do we really need the federal government regulating stuff like this?

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:http://www.joplinglobe.com/dailybusiness/x2112891865/Shutdown-means-no-new-beer-from-craft-brewers



Fuck this shutdown. Fuck it right in it's stupid face.

Do we really need the federal government regulating stuff like this?

No. but they do.

@SkitchP wrote:

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:http://www.joplinglobe.com/dailybusiness/x2112891865/Shutdown-means-no-new-beer-from-craft-brewers



Fuck this shutdown. Fuck it right in it's stupid face.

Do we really need the federal government regulating stuff like this?

No. but they do.

so much for the GOP's support of small business...

There was talk on the left about how maybe this was just something the Tea Party needed to get out of its system. They would end this crap when the public got angry. It doesn't seem like the public is getting angry, though. And I'm really disheartened by the fact that most people I talk to think both parties are equally at fault.

Rob wrote: And I'm really disheartened by the fact that most people I talk to think both parties are equally at fault.

as opposed to just agreeing with your viewpoint?

@SkitchP wrote:

Rob wrote: And I'm really disheartened by the fact that most people I talk to think both parties are equally at fault.

as opposed to just agreeing with your viewpoint?

I'm not suggesting that people should agree with me. I'm just some guy. They should pay more attention.

I think between the sequester and the shutdown, the fact there is too much government that adds little or nothing to the country should becoming clearer to people. Initailly the sequester was supposed to be this poison pill that was doom and gllom to both sides. Now it's business as usual. The shutdown is largely having the same affect on people in the short term.

surfndestroy wrote:I think between the sequester and the shutdown, the fact there is too much government that adds little or nothing to the country should becoming clearer to people. Initailly the sequester was supposed to be this poison pill that was doom and gllom to both sides. Now it's business as usual. The shutdown is largely having the same affect on people in the short term.

you watch a lot of fox news, huh?

malice wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:I think between the sequester and the shutdown, the fact there is too much government that adds little or nothing to the country should becoming clearer to people. Initailly the sequester was supposed to be this poison pill that was doom and gllom to both sides. Now it's business as usual. The shutdown is largely having the same affect on people in the short term.

you watch a lot of fox news, huh?

Actually I don't see how anyone can watch Fox. Hell even CNN can be hard to take. The sequester cuts, well life went on.

Are you saying you think there's too little government with the sequester cuts?