Red Mosquito

PryTo wrote:

Lament wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:

And I’m sorry, but I didn’t like Creed’s shitty ripoffs of PJ and I don’t like PJ’s shitty ripoffs of Zeppelin.

So, it is your opinion then that the members of Pearl Jam had a listen to "Going to California" and thought, "Wow, that is a nice song. Let's deliberately steal this and lie and say that we wrote it ourselves"?

I think the better question is, if he doesn't like Creed's shitty ripoffs of PJ and he doesn't like PJ's shitty ripoffs of Zeppelin, how does he feel about Zeppelin's shitty ripoffs of every bluesman to grace the face of the earth in the twentieth century?

They're equally guilty, and not just bluesmen, but folks artists like Jake Holmes. Shitty ripoffs are shitty ripoffs, no matter who's doing the stealing.

its not shitting stealing when you improve what you are stealing. see: led zeppelin.

The similar vocal melody that people speak of is essentially a descending four-note scale that most third graders probably learn in their first week of piano lessons. It is indeed the same four-note scale in both songs, and Mike's guitar riff at the end of said four-note melody does echo Plant's vocal in "GTC" ('in my he-art"). To my mind this stuff is just part of the musical language.

Agree to disagree, but it's a common complaint about that song, so I know I'm not hearing something that's not there.

I had the same response to "Got Some," but in reverse. I really liked that tune until I heard the original, Devo version. Then it was like, Wow these guys have absolutely no shame in just blatantly stealing someone else's song, making a few changes, and calling it their own. Obvs, they don't do it too often, but I hadn't heard the Devo song, which makes me wonder what else they've "been influenced by."

I realize there's a long tradition of borrowing in the arts, but these two songs strike me as examples where borrowing crosses over into, "We didn't have an original idea, so we took yours."

IlluminEddie wrote:I'm sure I'm being baited here.

Yes, you are being baited. Because our only job here is to piss you off. And every time someone makes a decision in life you don't agree with, do you immediately call them names instead of having a conversation with them like an adult about why the decision was made?

Wow, if we're not allowed to listen to musical ripoffs I guess I'll be getting rid of everything in my collection apart from a few songs by Jandek.

harmless wrote:Wow, if we're not allowed to listen to musical ripoffs I guess I'll be getting rid of everything in my collection apart from a few songs by Jandek.

I'm still pissed PJ stole "Footsteps" from Temple of the Dog

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

harmless wrote:Wow, if we're not allowed to listen to musical ripoffs I guess I'll be getting rid of everything in my collection apart from a few songs by Jandek.

I'm still pissed PJ stole "Footsteps" from Temple of the Dog

Disgusting.

Tbf, I will say that the "Got Some" / Devo thing was kind of funny. I think it's far more blatant than the Led Zep comparison.

it was also acknowledged by Mike.

you know, I never actually listened to the devo song that influenced got some. excuse me.

yeah, that's a much clearer influence than Going to California/Given To Fly.

Still, not sure why this would upset anyone. They acknowledged the influence and took ti in a different direction. I bet Devo was flattered.

Nobody hears echoes echoes it goes like this.

Which Devo song is it?

It's the Oasis/Ole similarity that shocked me.

Gut Feeling.

Yeah it's there but it's not massive. It's not like Jet and Lust For Life.

Uh, it's kind of exactly the same.

No more than Infallible. For some reason that vocal melody doesn't bother me as much as a musical similarity.

FINALLY found it. I knew the only redeemable part of Inside Job was a ripoff of a 311 song. McCready is shameless. Its actually a pretty good song, if I may be so bold.

Cheers Burt, I enjoyed that one.

LetMeSleep wrote:No more than Infallible. For some reason that vocal melody doesn't bother me as much as a musical similarity.

Infallible? What are we comparing that to? And GS does have a musical similarity to Devo as well.