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Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 5:54 pm
by Heathen
I played Skate or Die a lot too
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 5:57 pm
by Heathen
theplatypus wrote:harmless wrote:Actually also this. Sorry Jorge, in spite of everything I said, I turned it off half way through.
Man, it's like 2 minutes long!
2 minutes of punk is like 1 hour of Céline Dion
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:00 pm
by harmless
Heathen wrote:theplatypus wrote:harmless wrote:Actually also this. Sorry Jorge, in spite of everything I said, I turned it off half way through.
Man, it's like 2 minutes long!
2 minutes of punk is like 1 hour of Céline Dion
I LOL'd. But apart from that, there's a nugget of truth in this. Punk is so fast that you can get a good taste of a song in 1 minute, unlike other genres. And, well, I wasn't expecting it to change a great deal in the second minute. Come on, that's fair.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:01 pm
by Heathen
"fun" fact: the gf and I took a long drive a few days ago and one of the CDs we played for the trip was a mixtape that I made of somewhat punk-ish songs, or at least acts that often are associated with punk
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:01 pm
by harmless
Heathen wrote:harmless wrote:theplatypus wrote:It's a good thing I'm always playing Tony Hawk, in my head.
Life is so awesome when you're playing Tony Hawk. Just... everything is better.
This game isn't technically as good as a lot of other games.
Maybe not
objectively but I don't care about objectivity.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:02 pm
by Jorge
Heathen wrote:"fun" fact: the gf and I took a long drive a few days ago and one of the CDs we played for the trip was a mixtape that I made of somewhat punk-ish songs, or at least acts that often are associated with punk
That is a fun fact. No quotation marks necessary. Thank you for sharing that fact. I had fun reading it.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:05 pm
by harmless
theplatypus wrote:Heathen wrote:"fun" fact: the gf and I took a long drive a few days ago and one of the CDs we played for the trip was a mixtape that I made of somewhat punk-ish songs, or at least acts that often are associated with punk
That is a fun fact. No quotation marks necessary. Thank you for sharing that fact. I had fun reading it.
I hope you enjoy reading this post as much as I enjoyed writing it. From now on, every RM post should begin with "I hope you enjoy reading this post as much as I enjoyed writing it."
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:05 pm
by Heathen
theplatypus wrote:Heathen wrote:"fun" fact: the gf and I took a long drive a few days ago and one of the CDs we played for the trip was a mixtape that I made of somewhat punk-ish songs, or at least acts that often are associated with punk
That is a fun fact. No quotation marks necessary. Thank you for sharing that fact. I had fun reading it.
Obviously I'm not very comfortable with the notion of fun.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:06 pm
by Thejambi
1. It's official...I hate punk. Pearl Jam's "neutered" punk is as far as ill go.
2. Objectivity should have never been mentioned on this board.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:06 pm
by Strat
harmless wrote:theplatypus wrote:Heathen wrote:"fun" fact: the gf and I took a long drive a few days ago and one of the CDs we played for the trip was a mixtape that I made of somewhat punk-ish songs, or at least acts that often are associated with punk
That is a fun fact. No quotation marks necessary. Thank you for sharing that fact. I had fun reading it.
I hope you enjoy reading this post as much as I enjoyed writing it. From now on, every RM post should begin with "I hope you enjoy reading this post as much as I enjoyed writing it."
I just assumed this was a given with any post you make!
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:12 pm
by Jorge
Thejambi wrote:1. It's official...I hate punk. Pearl Jam's "neutered" punk is as far as ill go.
Interesting that it took a Pearl Jam song that tries its darnedest to sound like a genre to make you realize you hate that genre. Pearl Jam: always opening doors.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:13 pm
by Heathen
For a short period in my life I liked screamo.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:17 pm
by Thejambi
theplatypus wrote:Thejambi wrote:1. It's official...I hate punk. Pearl Jam's "neutered" punk is as far as ill go.
Interesting that it took a Pearl Jam song that tries its darnedest to sound like a genre to make you realize you hate that genre. Pearl Jam: always opening doors.
I've tried in the past and just thought i wasn't ready. Listening to all these links confirms it.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:21 pm
by Strat
the punk songs and bands that have impacted me seem to be adaptable to a few different styles of music cause ultimately its just a good song. bad religion, husker du, (sorry) replacements, social D etc.... The base song is great but the punk rock approach is what the artist chose to deliver the song. Many of my favorite punk songs also sound great on acoustic guitar, countrified, rock n roll'd out, etc.
The core of the song stems from a folky approach perhaps. They are all great song writers first and foremost. Many of them start off as punk players because Punk ws the genre that opened the door to many young aspiring children.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:25 pm
by digster
harmless wrote:digster wrote:I can't really defend Matt's drumming on the song; I agree with you, it's pretty drab overall. I was putting up a defense for punk drumming, or at least punk rhythm section. It may less be the genre and more that Matt can't do this genre well.
I know what punk drumming's meant to do, and I respect the skill of great punk drummers, it just doesn't really interest me. If I listen to fast music, it's also got to be pretty complex. So I like 'math rock' like Dillinger Escape Plan' because it's based in hardcore punk but is really complicated rhythmically. You just couldn't be Matt Cameron and play that shit. Feel free to recommend me some punk music based on anything I've said, by the way. I am open to it.
Well, I'm probably not the best person to ask; I feel familiar with the big names, but I'm sure there's more underground stuff that is better than what I could recommend. That being said, Earl Hudson from Bad Brains; the guy does some amazing stuff...I think Topper Heddon from The Clash did great work with a diverse range of material. I don't know if you'd call him punk per se, but I like Martin Atkins a lot (who played with Public Image Ltd, among other places).
I'd agree that punk wouldn't overall be a place I'd go to for complex drumming, but that's not necessarily what I respond when listening to drummers.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:27 pm
by Mine
theplatypus wrote:Thejambi wrote:1. It's official...I hate punk. Pearl Jam's "neutered" punk is as far as ill go.
Interesting that it took a Pearl Jam song that tries its darnedest to sound like a genre to make you realize you hate that genre. Pearl Jam: always opening doors.
I think it's what makes them appealing. To me at least. They're an old school rock band essentially. The fact that they apparently never succeed at being punk or hair metal if we're talking 10 is a strength rather than a weakness in my opinion.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:31 pm
by harmless
Mine wrote:theplatypus wrote:Thejambi wrote:1. It's official...I hate punk. Pearl Jam's "neutered" punk is as far as ill go.
Interesting that it took a Pearl Jam song that tries its darnedest to sound like a genre to make you realize you hate that genre. Pearl Jam: always opening doors.
I think it's what makes them appealing. To me at least. They're an old school rock band essentially. The fact that they apparently never succeed at being punk or hair metal if we're talking 10 is a strength rather than a weakness in my opinion.
Yeah. For a long time they've been a band that draws from, but errs on the 'good side' of genres I don't like.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:44 pm
by stip
harmless wrote:Mine wrote:theplatypus wrote:Thejambi wrote:1. It's official...I hate punk. Pearl Jam's "neutered" punk is as far as ill go.
Interesting that it took a Pearl Jam song that tries its darnedest to sound like a genre to make you realize you hate that genre. Pearl Jam: always opening doors.
I think it's what makes them appealing. To me at least. They're an old school rock band essentially. The fact that they apparently never succeed at being punk or hair metal if we're talking 10 is a strength rather than a weakness in my opinion.
Yeah. For a long time they've been a band that draws from, but errs on the 'good side' of genres I don't like.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:56 pm
by harmless
stip wrote:harmless wrote:Mine wrote:theplatypus wrote:Thejambi wrote:1. It's official...I hate punk. Pearl Jam's "neutered" punk is as far as ill go.
Interesting that it took a Pearl Jam song that tries its darnedest to sound like a genre to make you realize you hate that genre. Pearl Jam: always opening doors.
I think it's what makes them appealing. To me at least. They're an old school rock band essentially. The fact that they apparently never succeed at being punk or hair metal if we're talking 10 is a strength rather than a weakness in my opinion.
Yeah. For a long time they've been a band that draws from, but errs on the 'good side' of genres I don't like.
Pearl Jam are basically like a machine that filters the musical air of all the shit before it reaches our proverbial lungs.
Re: Let the drummer debate continue!
Posted: Fri July 12, 2013 6:57 pm
by Jorge
That's so gross, in so many ways.