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Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Sun March 17, 2024 1:26 am
by simple schoolboy
If US based private military contractors are brought before the Hague, do we still get to invade the Netherlands? Sick and tired of their smug claim of being an older Republic.

(The US and Israel are looking into hiring contractors to distribute aid delivered to the Gaza dock to try to avoid getting US service members getting roped into the ongoing goat rodeo)

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Sun March 17, 2024 5:55 pm
by Bi_3
Additional info from WSJ on post-war plans:

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/i ... d-2a7347af

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Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 4:08 am
by simple schoolboy
How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 12:47 pm
by Alex
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?
What do you do for a living? I just realized I have no idea.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 3:20 pm
by simple schoolboy
Alex wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?
What do you do for a living? I just realized I have no idea.
I'm a professional bad opinion haver, clearly.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 3:25 pm
by Alex
simple schoolboy wrote:
Alex wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?
What do you do for a living? I just realized I have no idea.
I'm a professional bad opinion haver, clearly.
There are mitigating strategies to address that. For example, have you considered not posting?

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 3:33 pm
by simple schoolboy
Alex wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Alex wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?
What do you do for a living? I just realized I have no idea.
I'm a professional bad opinion haver, clearly.
There are mitigating strategies to address that. For example, have you considered not posting?
My family has worked in the posting mines for three generations. It's the only life we know.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 3:39 pm
by Alex
simple schoolboy wrote:
Alex wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Alex wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?
What do you do for a living? I just realized I have no idea.
I'm a professional bad opinion haver, clearly.
There are mitigating strategies to address that. For example, have you considered not posting?
My family has worked in the posting mines for three generations. It's the only life we know.
I hadn’t pegged you as a union man.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 3:49 pm
by Bi_3
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?

Looks like the switch from a blockade to the establishment of a permanent Korea-style DMZ against Gaza to limit weapons production and strike capability post 07.Oct.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 5:04 pm
by simple schoolboy
Bi_3 wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?

Looks like the switch from a blockade to the establishment of a permanent Korea-style DMZ against Gaza to limit weapons production and strike capability post 07.Oct.
If they backed off from 'dismantling' Hamas to merely 'degrading', it bolsters their critics that this was about wanton collective punishment more than strategic concerns.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 6:53 pm
by Bi_3
simple schoolboy wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?

Looks like the switch from a blockade to the establishment of a permanent Korea-style DMZ against Gaza to limit weapons production and strike capability post 07.Oct.
If they backed off from 'dismantling' Hamas to merely 'degrading', it bolsters their critics that this was about wanton collective punishment more than strategic concerns.
There is literally nothing Israel could possibly do that wouldn't be twisted into something like that. Plans always run into practical realities and the reality is they couldn't kill enough Hamas fighters before sympathy for 07.Oct and their weapons supplies dried up, so it's better to just focus on threat reduction at this point. The good news for the Gazans is that this means a large scale attack in the south is starting to look unlikely.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 7:30 pm
by simple schoolboy
Bi_3 wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:How many times is Israel going to raid the Al-Shifa hospital? The entire Gaza operation just seems like a more intensive version of "mowing the grass". If they aren't attempting to take and hold territory, what is the end game?

Can it be an existential threat if they can choose to deactivate most of their reserves just a few months in?

Looks like the switch from a blockade to the establishment of a permanent Korea-style DMZ against Gaza to limit weapons production and strike capability post 07.Oct.
If they backed off from 'dismantling' Hamas to merely 'degrading', it bolsters their critics that this was about wanton collective punishment more than strategic concerns.
There is literally nothing Israel could possibly do that wouldn't be twisted into something like that. Plans always run into practical realities and the reality is they couldn't kill enough Hamas fighters before sympathy for 07.Oct and their weapons supplies dried up, so it's better to just focus on threat reduction at this point. The good news for the Gazans is that this means a large scale attack in the south is starting to look unlikely.
They could've achieved the same threat reduction without leveling quite so many empty buildings. Did they (or the US) not have an understanding of the limits of support that would be provided, or was it being casualty averse that resulted in this waffling? Can you call taksies backsies on a declaration of total war?

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 9:05 pm
by spike
On Saturday, I thought we’d run head on into the St. Patty’s parade, but turns out it was a pro Palestine protest march.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 9:18 pm
by doug rr
did you grab some lamb and flatbread?

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 9:22 pm
by Bi_3
doug rr wrote:did you grab some lamb and flatbread?
I read this as "did you grab some land?". Mind my must be occupied elsewhere.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Mon March 18, 2024 11:30 pm
by spike
doug rr wrote:did you grab some lamb and flatbread?
The protestors weren’t serving food.

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Tue March 19, 2024 12:06 am
by doug rr
spike wrote:
doug rr wrote:did you grab some lamb and flatbread?
The protestors weren’t serving food.
there has to be a business model for that

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 12:53 am
by Bi_3
Hamas is popular amoungst Palestinians and is their choice to rule Gaza after the war:

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/fil ... 202024.pdf

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:35 am
by dimejinky99
Israel just blew up an orphanage.

I mean why not. There’s tens of thousands of newly made orphans now anyways
Who needs a building that houses them and processes them into care

Re: Israel & Palestine

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:02 pm
by Anders
https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/ ... Bank-land-

Israel reported Friday the seizure of 800 hectares (1,977 acres) of land in the occupied West Bank, which activists called the largest action of its kind in decades.

Israel’s Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich declared as “state lands” the area in the northern Jordan Valley, as US Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived in Israel for Gaza war talks.

Israeli settlement watchdog Peace Now said the size of the seized area is the largest since 1993’s Oslo Accords, and that “2024 marks a peak in the extent of declarations of state land.”

Israel captured the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.