Red Mosquito

simple schoolboy wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Finland and Sweden expected to join NATO. That’ll get Putin riled up

I wonder how much of this is them being earnest vs them signalling Putin that he's being insane.

McParadigm wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Finland and Sweden expected to join NATO. That’ll get Putin riled up

I wonder how much of this is them being earnest vs them signalling Putin that he's being insane.

Asked and answered

dimejinky99 wrote:Finland now in Nato. Russia promising a response.
Whatever that means

Anders wrote:Happy for our friends and allies, our Finnish neighbours.

With Finland officially in the alliance, NATO’s top commander can now work the country into its military plans, which sketch out how to defend the bloc’s members against an attack.

But given Finland’s extensive capabilities and practice defending its own territory, it’s unlikely at least for now that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization will replicate defense structures on the rest of the eastern flank by stationing allied battle groups in the nation, according to officials familiar with the issue.

NATO has already established eight multinational battle groups in Poland and the Baltic nations — and more recently in Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Romania — to serve as a “tripwire” in the case of a Russian attack. Those battle groups will also be able to scale up to brigade size, where and when required.

There are currently no plans to deploy a NATO battle group to Finland, a NATO official said, adding that NATO’s supreme allied commander constantly assesses threats and could make that recommendation if deemed necessary. A senior US official also said Americans didn’t expect to see a battle group in Finland and that the country hasn’t made such a request.

“For years, we have developed our NATO compatibility. There is still considerable work ahead to integrate Finland’s defense as part of NATO’s common defense,” President Sauli Niinisto said at Tuesday’s accession ceremony. “The Finnish defense forces are facing new demands and challenges to which we must respond.”

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said earlier that Russia viewed NATO expansion as an encroachment on its security and that it would take countermeasures, according to the state news service Tass.

Allocating Forces

General Chris Cavoli, NATO’s supreme allied commander for Europe, is currently drafting the alliance’s regional plans, which are due to be sent to allies this month and which will spell out where countries will need to allocate forces to defend the alliance.

Speaking to reporters in Brussels, Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto wouldn’t be drawn on the troop issue, signaling that will be discussed during defense planning. He noted Sweden’s pivotal role — the reason why Finland wants its neighbor allowed in quickly.

“It’s very difficult to make a defense plan for the Nordic countries without Sweden,” Haavisto said. “If you take Sweden out of the map, there is a hole, and if you look at our food security or maintenance of our economy, Sweden is the route to Finland.”

Finland’s military, which can deploy 280,000 troops in wartime thanks to its conscription-based system, has long trained in defending its territory against attack and already has its own combat-ready battle groups in place, the NATO official said. What’s more likely is that Finland will contribute troops to the other existing battle groups, the official added. The professional force is relatively slim.

Finland is bringing a slew of assets to the alliance. In addition to a long tradition of military intelligence with a strong understanding of Russia, the Nordic country has also invested in areas where the alliance needs to step up including artillery and munitions, the NATO official said. Still, Finland will need to invest to get its army and air force in shape to deploy abroad across the alliance, which will require logistics and sustainment forces along with training, the official added.

McParadigm wrote:I thought they only needed the one sniper rifle to pass around

tragabigzanda wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

Anders wrote:Happy for our friends and allies, our Finnish neighbours.

Is Finland going to transition to NATO standard ammunition and equipment? A lot of Americans will be very happy if Finnish military surplus starts to hit the market.

"a lot"

simple schoolboy wrote:Ireland is making noises about NATO. Seems rather divisive, would they need to hold a referendum or amend their constitution?

96583UP wrote:if China invades Taiwan maybe it will change the Irish tune

96583UP wrote:Russia will be on China's side

countries will have to choose teams

maybe Ireland becomes the 51st U.S. state instead