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Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:45 am
by Norah
The more I think about it, the less I like it too. Choosing which season to go with is a huge decision at the start of the season. You should be stuck with it.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:46 am
by Norah
So I advocate for my proposal but with years stuck with drafted players. Either that or you can only add undrafted players, not players dropped by other teams.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:50 am
by Lament
cutuphalfdead wrote:The more I think about it, the less I like it too. Choosing which season to go with is a huge decision at the start of the season. You should be stuck with it.
I agree it is a huge decision, but I don't consider it any bigger than who you draft in each round. The way I see it, if we're allowing one change in that, I don't see why changing a year for one player isn't comparable. It's still one alteration on a roster of 25.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:51 am
by Norah
A small reliever swap, or dumping a guy for an unknown quantity off the waiver wire allows for possible small situational improvements, like working around a whatif managerial quirk. Letting people change years allows for selecting a proven whatif quantity to correct a mistake or risk you shouldn't have taken.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:53 am
by Norah
Changing years simply allows this mid-season move to be too powerful for my tastes.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:53 am
by numbers
I vote for Lament's version, not Chud's Yankee Swap.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:53 am
by @SkitchP
cutuphalfdead wrote:Changing years simply allows this mid-season move to be too powerful for my tastes.

Yes. Exactly.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:54 am
by The Argonaut
I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:54 am
by @SkitchP
Id rather no roster changes than allowing year changes.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:55 am
by Norah
@SkitchP wrote:Id rather no roster changes than allowing year changes.
same

I'll settle for any other aspect of this that the rest of the league wants if years aren't allowed to be changed.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:55 am
by numbers
I call for a ban on year changes until we figure out what the hell is going on.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:56 am
by Norah
finally someone says what we're all thinking

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 2:57 am
by Lament
The Argonaut wrote:I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal
Yeah, I can buy that a waiver move is a less significant change than a year swap, but a trade is a far more powerful move than a year change in my eyes.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 3:00 am
by @SkitchP
Lament wrote:
The Argonaut wrote:I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal
Yeah, I can buy that a waiver move is a less significant change than a year swap, but a trade is a far more powerful move than a year change in my eyes.

Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 3:01 am
by @SkitchP
@SkitchP wrote:
Lament wrote:
The Argonaut wrote:I don't intend to make any changes, but I think one should be able to switch years if they want. That's less of a big deal than trades or adding entirely new players. I don't see the big deal
Yeah, I can buy that a waiver move is a less significant change than a year swap, but a trade is a far more powerful move than a year change in my eyes.

Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.

It's risk free. Without any chance of improving the opposition.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 3:02 am
by Norah
Yeah I can refuse a trade if I think it helps the other guy too much.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 3:02 am
by Lament
@SkitchP wrote:Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.
Waiving a player is one party making their own move without a consenting party as well, though.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 3:03 am
by Norah
Lament wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.
Waiving a player is one party making their own move without a consenting party as well, though.
Yeah, and keeping the years committed to the drafted players limits the benefit of that move.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 3:04 am
by @SkitchP
Lament wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:Year change is one party making their own move. There is no consenting party. No strategy.
Waiving a player is one party making their own move without a consenting party as well, though.
Right, but there's some risk. Let's say you cut buerle. He becomes my 3rd starter. You've risked improving my team.

Re: Steroid Era (1986-2005) Tournament: DAY FOURTEEN RESULTS

Posted: Tue November 29, 2016 3:06 am
by philpritchard
Yeah, there's no reason year changes shouldn't be allowed if trades and add/drops are allowed.