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tragabigzanda wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I watched All The President's Men this afternoon. It was good; I've never been into them, but I betcha I'd like good detective movies. Any recommendations?

In the Heat of the Night
Zodiac
Chinatown
The French Connection
Three Days on the Condor
LA Confidential
Manhunter
Vertigo

The Argonaut wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I watched All The President's Men this afternoon. It was good; I've never been into them, but I betcha I'd like good detective movies. Any recommendations?

Robert Altman's The Long Goodbye

tragabigzanda wrote: LA Confidential

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: LA Confidential

After adding these to my watch list, I remembered: when I first saw the poster for this movie in 1997 as a 13 year old, it caused an ol' force awakening, if you know what I mean.

LetMeSleep wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: LA Confidential

After adding these to my watch list, I remembered: when I first saw the poster for this movie in 1997 as a 13 year old, it caused an ol' force awakening, if you know what I mean.

It's a great film. And it'll move you.

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I watched All The President's Men this afternoon. It was good; I've never been into them, but I betcha I'd like good detective movies. Any recommendations?

In the Heat of the Night
Zodiac
Chinatown
The French Connection
Three Days on the Condor
LA Confidential
Manhunter
Vertigo

Excellent. I've seen Zodiac, which is one of my faves. Thanks!

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I watched All The President's Men this afternoon. It was good; I've never been into them, but I betcha I'd like good detective movies. Any recommendations?

In the Heat of the Night
Zodiac
Chinatown
The French Connection
Three Days on the Condor
LA Confidential
Manhunter
Vertigo

Excellent. I've seen Zodiac, which is one of my faves. Thanks!

Vertigo is one of the greatest films of all time. Easily on my top 10.

Chinatown is also exquisite and I highly recommend it. Just brilliant noir.

Most people love LA Confidential, so I would recommend it even though I personally don't really care for it.

Manhunter is one of the absolute worst films I've ever seen. I would never recommend anyone see it.

Zodiac is brilliant, but you said you've seen it.

I haven't seen the others on his list but have heard great things about both.

Manhunter is definitely an acquired taste. It's early Michael Mann, so it's got a pretty heavy Miami Vice vibe. But it's genuinely scary, and the whole cast is awesome: Brian Cox, William Peterson, Joan Allen, Dennis Farina, Tom Noonan, and a great bit part by Chris Elliott. It should be at the bottom of your list, but maybe don't brush it off completely.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Manhunter is a masterpiece, and Petersen, Noonan, and Cox are brilliant in it.

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Manhunter is a masterpiece, and Petersen, Noonan, and Cox are brilliant in it.

Real talk, do you really think it's a "masterpiece?" You're not being hyperbolic when you say that? Like, if someone wanted to see just one single movie by Michael Mann and they'd never seen his work before, that's the one you'd tell them they have to see?

I'm happy to concede Cox's performance. It's not bad, it's just not what I think the character should be. But he's making interesting and consistent choices, for sure. Petersen, though... I have a hard time remembering a performance that bad in a major Hollywood movie. As someone who has studied acting, it just infuriates me. I get worked up just thinking about it.

Strat wrote:I tried to watch it once but i just wasn't in the mood for it. Perhaps Ill give it another go. I enjoyed the red dragon though!

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Manhunter is a masterpiece, and Petersen, Noonan, and Cox are brilliant in it.

Real talk, do you really think it's a "masterpiece?" You're not being hyperbolic when you say that? Like, if someone wanted to see just one single movie by Michael Mann and they'd never seen his work before, that's the one you'd tell them they have to see?

I'm happy to concede Cox's performance. It's not bad, it's just not what I think the character should be. But he's making interesting and consistent choices, for sure. Petersen, though... I have a hard time remembering a performance that bad in a major Hollywood movie. As someone who has studied acting, it just infuriates me. I get worked up just thinking about it.

Yes, absolutely. I think it's top-tier Mann, an equal of Heat and Blackhat.

What do you find so bad about Petersen? He does sometimes verbalize his thoughts, but I think that's a character choice. It expresses his insularity and isolation.

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Manhunter is a masterpiece, and Petersen, Noonan, and Cox are brilliant in it.

Real talk, do you really think it's a "masterpiece?" You're not being hyperbolic when you say that? Like, if someone wanted to see just one single movie by Michael Mann and they'd never seen his work before, that's the one you'd tell them they have to see?

I'm happy to concede Cox's performance. It's not bad, it's just not what I think the character should be. But he's making interesting and consistent choices, for sure. Petersen, though... I have a hard time remembering a performance that bad in a major Hollywood movie. As someone who has studied acting, it just infuriates me. I get worked up just thinking about it.

Yes, absolutely. I think it's top-tier Mann, an equal of Heat and Blackhat.

What do you find so bad about Petersen? He does sometimes verbalize his thoughts, but I think that's a character choice. It expresses his insularity and isolation.

There's nothing behind the eyes. He telegraphs everything. He's showy. Every word out of his mouth feels false. I don't believe him in any moment during the movie. It doesn't seem like he's in the same film as everyone else, and not in an interesting way, but in a lost and incompetent way. His deliveries are canned and emotionless, or they're too big and campy to be taken seriously. It's like they hired a porn actor to do a parody version of Manhunter and cut him into the Michael Mann film.

He's not living on screen at all. Unlike Cox who is absolutely in every moment. The more I think about it, the more I do really like Cox in the movie. I think I was just too biased by the character on the page and by what I'd already seen from Hopkins to appreciate it. I held my own preconceived notions against him. He really does a lovely job, though.

tragabigzanda wrote:Guys, come on...If film is an industrial process, and the auteur attempts to shepherd his vision through that process, I'd say this is an extremely cohesive vision. It may not be for you, but it's a damn fine Michael Mann film; it works less well as an adaptation of the source material: