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Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 2:27 pm
by bada
I really have no idea if Fultz is any good or not. If he really is a transformational player passing on him would be idiotic especially if they do it because of IT. I love the guy but a 5'9'' 30 year old shouldn't get a max contract. Really he should get 15 mil a year and come off the bench. If someone wants to give him more let him go and you'll never regret it. I guess if all these guys are basically equal then yeah you take the bigger more athletic player and Jackson is the guy. If you can sucker a couple extra picks and get the guy you want anyways go for it. I don't think Butler is available...George wants to go somewhere else...if Hayward was single I'd worry about Miami but I have a feeling if he leaves Utah, Boston is the destination. It would be pretty amazing if Boston got two above average free agents to sign with them two summers in a row.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 2:32 pm
by Monkey_Driven
bada wrote:I really have no idea if Fultz is any good or not. If he really is a transformational player passing on him would be idiotic especially if they do it because of IT. I love the guy but a 5'9'' 30 year old shouldn't get a max contract. Really he should get 15 mil a year and come off the bench. If someone wants to give him more let him go and you'll never regret it. I guess if all these guys are basically equal then yeah you take the bigger more athletic player and Jackson is the guy. If you can sucker a couple extra picks and get the guy you want anyways go for it. I don't think Butler is available...George wants to go somewhere else...if Hayward was single I'd worry about Miami but I have a feeling if he leaves Utah, Boston is the destination. It would be pretty amazing if Boston got two above average free agents to sign with them two summers in a row.
It all depends on how they rank Jackson and Fultz. If they think they are equal you do the deal. We'll see if actually happens or if it is a smokescreen for something else.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 2:38 pm
by bada
Yeah I barely watch college basketball anymore I won't even pretend to know who is better than who.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 2:40 pm
by bada
Though it seems like the smaller ball dominate guards win awards and headlines and the bigger players win championships so just for that reason I'm leaning towards Jackson.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 2:46 pm
by Monkey_Driven
bada wrote:Though it seems like the smaller ball dominate guards win awards and headlines and the bigger players win championships so just for that reason I'm leaning towards Jackson.
Yeah, that may be their thinking too. I don't think the Nets are going to be as bad next year. Maybe this a way to hedge their bets for a top 3 pick next year too.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 3:56 pm
by verb_to_trust
The 18 Nets will challenge the Warriors

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 4:15 pm
by Monkey_Driven
verb_to_trust wrote:The 18 Nets will challenge the Warriors
Parity!

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 4:33 pm
by verb_to_trust
Everyone is the Nets in modern NBA

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 5:43 pm
by Coach
bada wrote:Though it seems like the smaller ball dominate guards win awards and headlines and the bigger players win championships so just for that reason I'm leaning towards Jackson.
And the Celtics will still need to deal with size issues and rebounding. Gotta improve those areas. I really have no issue if this is part of a 3-4 year build. Stay competitive and rebuild at the same time? I like it.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 5:53 pm
by bada
verb_to_trust wrote:Everyone is the Nets in modern NBA

I feel like there might be a way to monetize this slogan Verb...think big....make it happen.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 5:53 pm
by bada
Coach wrote:
bada wrote:Though it seems like the smaller ball dominate guards win awards and headlines and the bigger players win championships so just for that reason I'm leaning towards Jackson.
And the Celtics will still need to deal with size issues and rebounding. Gotta improve those areas. I really have no issue if this is part of a 3-4 year build. Stay competitive and rebuild at the same time? I like it.
Feels like thats the plan. They want a longer window than the last championship teams run.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sat June 17, 2017 5:54 pm
by verb_to_trust
Warm up shirts that say 'we are the one percent' for the Warriors?

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 12:32 pm
by Coach
I was liking this deal more when Boston was (reported) getting the No. 3 pick and two future No. 1s. Now it looks like No. 3 and a future No. 1, but I guess they don't love Fultz enough or think he's a game changer and their guy, either Jackson or Tatum, suffices.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-76ers- ... 25362.html

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 1:43 pm
by bada
I'm still unclear on the pick protections....I've seen the Laker pick is protected 2-5 and another source says the Celtics only get the pick if it falls in the 2-5 range...if not they get the Sac pick the following year and I don't see anything on what the protections are for that pick.....I would think the Sac pick would be more valuable since they will always suck and the Lakers could get better.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 2:53 pm
by verb_to_trust
Involving the sac pick just brings the odds of them getting a prime pick from 98 to 99%.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 4:44 pm
by Monkey_Driven
bada wrote:I'm still unclear on the pick protections....I've seen the Laker pick is protected 2-5 and another source says the Celtics only get the pick if it falls in the 2-5 range...if not they get the Sac pick the following year and I don't see anything on what the protections are for that pick.....I would think the Sac pick would be more valuable since they will always suck and the Lakers could get better.
I don't believe the Sac pick is protected. Either way, they are essentially trading the first pick for the third pick and a top ten pick either next year or in 2019.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 6:05 pm
by verb_to_trust
Not much value difference between 1-3. I wonder why philly loves fultz so much.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 7:16 pm
by Monkey_Driven
verb_to_trust wrote:Not much value difference between 1-3. I wonder why philly loves fultz so much.
Probably because they've only drafted wings and big dudes the last few years and he's the best point guard on the board. I don't think they are giving up too much to move up either. It's not like they won't have their own top ten pick next year.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 8:06 pm
by verb_to_trust
They should have locked up Ish Smith when they had the chance.

Re: NBA Thread

Posted: Sun June 18, 2017 8:06 pm
by verb_to_trust
Paul George wants to join the lakers. You have to give him what he wants. Because, it's what he wants.