Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:

B wrote:Have we ever considered
that "force ghosts" are just hallucinations of the living?

That’s a good question

If I’m standing beside Luke and he’s talking to force ghost Obi-Wan
Can I see him too..
doubtful

Let's see, Yoda and Luke both see Obi-Wan ... mass hallucination?

We THINK Leia sees the ghosts at the end of RotJ, but maybe not.

B wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

B wrote:Have we ever considered
that "force ghosts" are just hallucinations of the living?

That’s a good question

If I’m standing beside Luke and he’s talking to force ghost Obi-Wan
Can I see him too..
doubtful

Let's see, Yoda and Luke both see Obi-Wan ... mass hallucination?

We THINK Leia sees the ghosts at the end of RotJ, but maybe not.

Really? That has honestly never crossed my mind. We see Luke kinda respond to them, but I’ve never considered that Leia saw them, as well.

wease wrote:

B wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

B wrote:Have we ever considered
that "force ghosts" are just hallucinations of the living?

That’s a good question

If I’m standing beside Luke and he’s talking to force ghost Obi-Wan
Can I see him too..
doubtful

Let's see, Yoda and Luke both see Obi-Wan ... mass hallucination?

We THINK Leia sees the ghosts at the end of RotJ, but maybe not.

Really? That has honestly never crossed my mind. We see Luke kinda respond to them, but I’ve never considered that Leia saw them, as well.

I've never really thought that either. But given her Force powers, it's not off the table.

I may be misremembering the end of RotJ.

Still ... Hallucinations.

yeah, its just Luke watching them.

It's hard to hold all this in your head.

I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Sounds awfully convenient.

oasisfan35 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Sounds awfully convenient.

I mean the whole thing was made up as George went along. He can do whatever he wants.

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

Oh, I'm sure canon is that ghost are real, but I want to imagine a world where the Jedi are actually all just schizophrenic.

B wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

Oh, I'm sure canon is that ghost are real, but I want to imagine a world where the Jedi are actually all just schizophrenic.

Yeah that's better

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

That’s not really true
Yoda and qui gon Appear to Ezra in rebels He may have heard of them but has no connection to them

I think force ghosts can appear to whoever they want to
I wouldn’t say there’s any hard and fast rules about this

durdencommatyler wrote:

B wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

Oh, I'm sure canon is that ghost are real, but I want to imagine a world where the Jedi are actually all just schizophrenic.

Yeah that's better

If the force ghosts are a hallucination, does that mean all 9 movies happen in the heads of crazy Jedi? Did Luke steal a starship and kill a giant base full of people?

B wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

B wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

Oh, I'm sure canon is that ghost are real, but I want to imagine a world where the Jedi are actually all just schizophrenic.

Yeah that's better

If the force ghosts are a hallucination, does that mean all 9 movies happen in the heads of crazy Jedi? Did Luke steal a starship and kill a giant base full of people?

Are you asking if all the movies are fictional and if millions of grown-ass people around the world are wasting their lives overthinking them?

Bammer wrote:

B wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

B wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

Oh, I'm sure canon is that ghost are real, but I want to imagine a world where the Jedi are actually all just schizophrenic.

Yeah that's better

If the force ghosts are a hallucination, does that mean all 9 movies happen in the heads of crazy Jedi? Did Luke steal a starship and kill a giant base full of people?

Are you asking if all the movies are fictional and if millions of grown-ass people around the world are wasting their lives overthinking them?

No, I'm adding an extra way for grown-ass people to start thinking about them.

dimejinky99 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

That’s not really true
Yoda and qui gon Appear to Ezra in rebels He may have heard of them but has no connection to them

I think force ghosts can appear to whoever they want to
I wouldn’t say there’s any hard and fast rules about this

Remind me about the Rebels appearances. I don't remember Force Ghosts appearing to Ezra.

durdencommatyler wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

That’s not really true
Yoda and qui gon Appear to Ezra in rebels He may have heard of them but has no connection to them

I think force ghosts can appear to whoever they want to
I wouldn’t say there’s any hard and fast rules about this

Remind me about the Rebels appearances. I don't remember Force Ghosts appearing to Ezra.

Well this episode he speaaks directly to Yoda


https://youtu.be/311yAdcESEk

AAnd the world between worlds he hears everything

I wonder was the talk with Yoda foreshadowing this

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If it had been her lifting the ship
Instead of Luke

The exact same people would be completely outraged that it wasn’t Luke doin
It

The outrage would be they’re making her
More powerful than even luke

Star Wars simply cannot win against assholes and these kinds of idiotic arguments

Luke convincingly projected his image across the galaxy and Rey pulled down a ship from the air earlier in the trilogy. No one should be impressed by either lifting the X Wing out of the water.

Agree

So why the pointless twitter rant about luke doing it

Because it is a pointless scene.

The scene is a triumph for both of them. They have overcome, and Luke places his full faith in Rey. It’s a gesture for him and for her, for their history together, and his. It’s a sensei preparing his star pupil for her most crucial battle.

And on a practical level... SHE NEEDS A SHIP!

So thematically, not pointless. Plotwise, not pointless. And practically... you get it.

Aren't Tie's and x-wings short range fighters? How the hell were they flying them from one end of the galaxy to the other? For some reason - this bugged me