Red Mosquito

philpritchard wrote:Omar Vizquel got more votes than Larry Walker. He got twice as many as Scott Rolen and Andruw Jones combined.

Voters are idiots.

They are the worst.

numbers wrote:

philpritchard wrote:Omar Vizquel got more votes than Larry Walker. He got twice as many as Scott Rolen and Andruw Jones combined.

Voters are idiots.

They are the worst.

I like how only shortstops get credit for defensive value. Vizquel was an excellent defender who couldn't hit. Meanwhile, Jones was basically Vizquel with an above average bat and Rolen was Vizquel with an excellent bat. So of course Vizquel is the only one to get any kind of support.

Also, Larry Walker is still a no doubt Hall of Famer.

10 strait gold glove Center Field seasons for Andruw Jones, he made it look easy.... 7.5% of the vote.

philpritchard wrote:
Also, Larry Walker is still a no doubt Hall of Famer.

There are legit arguments against him. Games played being one of them.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

philpritchard wrote:
Also, Larry Walker is still a no doubt Hall of Famer.

There are legit arguments against him. Games played being one of them.

Meh. Plenty of Hall of Famers have played fewer. He's basically a better version of Guerrero with one season less.

How do you vote for Vizquel but not Andruw Jones?

Electromatic wrote:10 strait gold glove Center Field seasons for Andruw Jones, he made it look easy.... 7.5% of the vote.

to play devil's advocate though, gold gloves aren't exactly the gold standard (see what i did there) in terms of defense (see: derek jeter)

numbers wrote:How do you vote for Vizquel but not Andruw Jones?

how do you vote for either of them?

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Electromatic wrote:10 strait gold glove Center Field seasons for Andruw Jones, he made it look easy.... 7.5% of the vote.

to play devil's advocate though, gold gloves aren't exactly the gold standard (see what i did there) in terms of defense (see: derek jeter)

Definitely not, but if the stats back them up, it's probably fair to use them as an argument.

Also, I am in the Billy Wagner was better than Trevor Hoffman camp.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Electromatic wrote:10 strait gold glove Center Field seasons for Andruw Jones, he made it look easy.... 7.5% of the vote.

to play devil's advocate though, gold gloves aren't exactly the gold standard (see what i did there) in terms of defense (see: derek jeter)

I guess I could go find zone rating or whatever but I'm not really sure what would truely quantify a hall of fame defensive career in center field. , he was never the most deserving batter, not better than average. How many voters use actual scientific criteria anyway? As defensive center fielders go, for 10 years he was freaking amazing in center field. I doubt he ever makes it in anyway. It took forever for the Braves to put him in their Hall of Fame.

Is there a block chain standard in Baseball now?

Electromatic wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Electromatic wrote:10 strait gold glove Center Field seasons for Andruw Jones, he made it look easy.... 7.5% of the vote.

to play devil's advocate though, gold gloves aren't exactly the gold standard (see what i did there) in terms of defense (see: derek jeter)

I guess I could go find zone rating or whatever but I'm not really sure what would truely quantify a hall of fame defensive career in center field. , he was never the most deserving batter, not better than average. How many voters use actual scientific criteria anyway? As defensive center fielders go, for 10 years he was freaking amazing in center field. I doubt he ever makes it in anyway. It took forever for the Braves to put him in their Hall of Fame.

Is there a block chain standard in Baseball now?

Advanced stats are limited the farther back you go, but, by Fangraphs, Vizquel is among the Top 10ish defensive SS of all time and Jones is by FAR the best defensive CF ever.

Most voters don't use scientific criteria at all. They follow their hearts and then look up whatever stats are needed to support their decision so they can pretend they actually used stats to determine who was worthy.

would omar vizquel be in the HOF if he did backflips when taking the infield and spoke without a spanish accent?

Chris_H_2 wrote:would omar vizquel be in the HOF if he did backflips when taking the infield and spoke without a spanish accent?

No. He would be if he had been better at baseball, though.

numbers wrote:Also, I am in the Billy Wagner was better than Trevor Hoffman camp.

Of course he was. But I'm not really upset with Hoffman being in.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

numbers wrote:Also, I am in the Billy Wagner was better than Trevor Hoffman camp.

Of course he was. But I'm not really upset with Hoffman being in.

Yeah, but the discrepancy between their vote totals is insane.

numbers wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

numbers wrote:Also, I am in the Billy Wagner was better than Trevor Hoffman camp.

Of course he was. But I'm not really upset with Hoffman being in.

Yeah, but the discrepancy between their vote totals is insane.

The save stat has ruined relief pitching.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

numbers wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

numbers wrote:Also, I am in the Billy Wagner was better than Trevor Hoffman camp.

Of course he was. But I'm not really upset with Hoffman being in.

Yeah, but the discrepancy between their vote totals is insane.

The save stat has ruined relief pitching.

don’t get me started on the concept of “closer” being it’s own separate position like some managers (I’m looking at you Brad Ausmus) treat it

Hey hey, the Brew Crew Hot Stove!

Yelich and Cain

Electromatic wrote:Hey hey, the Brew Crew Hot Stove!

Yelich and Cain

And, most likely something else brewing. They have, Braun, Cain, Yelich, Broxton, Santana, and Phillips all in the OF now...
and picking up 2 top level OF's has to look good to some of those SP's out there that the Brewers are supposedly making offers to as well.

60 some odd days to opening day!