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dimejinky99 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I'm pretty sure there's some canon evidence that supports the idea that Force Ghosts only appear to people with whom they share a real life connection. So they aren't hallucinations but no one besides Luke can see them.

Which is why Rey only sees Luke & Leia at the end of Skywalker. She didn't know Yoda, Obi Wan or Anakin. So they can't appear to her.

That’s not really true
Yoda and qui gon Appear to Ezra in rebels He may have heard of them but has no connection to them

I think force ghosts can appear to whoever they want to
I wouldn’t say there’s any hard and fast rules about this

Remind me about the Rebels appearances. I don't remember Force Ghosts appearing to Ezra.

Well this episode he speaaks directly to Yoda


https://youtu.be/311yAdcESEk

But that's in the Temple. And WBW is also different. Neither of those are Force Ghost visions.

Donald wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If it had been her lifting the ship
Instead of Luke

The exact same people would be completely outraged that it wasn’t Luke doin
It

The outrage would be they’re making her
More powerful than even luke

Star Wars simply cannot win against assholes and these kinds of idiotic arguments

Luke convincingly projected his image across the galaxy and Rey pulled down a ship from the air earlier in the trilogy. No one should be impressed by either lifting the X Wing out of the water.

Agree

So why the pointless twitter rant about luke doing it

Because it is a pointless scene.

The scene is a triumph for both of them. They have overcome, and Luke places his full faith in Rey. It’s a gesture for him and for her, for their history together, and his. It’s a sensei preparing his star pupil for her most crucial battle.

And on a practical level... SHE NEEDS A SHIP!

So thematically, not pointless. Plotwise, not pointless. And practically... you get it.

Aren't Tie's and x-wings short range fighters? How the hell were they flying them from one end of the galaxy to the other? For some reason - this bugged me

They've got light speed. I'm fine with it.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Donald wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If it had been her lifting the ship
Instead of Luke

The exact same people would be completely outraged that it wasn’t Luke doin
It

The outrage would be they’re making her
More powerful than even luke

Star Wars simply cannot win against assholes and these kinds of idiotic arguments

Luke convincingly projected his image across the galaxy and Rey pulled down a ship from the air earlier in the trilogy. No one should be impressed by either lifting the X Wing out of the water.

Agree

So why the pointless twitter rant about luke doing it

Because it is a pointless scene.

The scene is a triumph for both of them. They have overcome, and Luke places his full faith in Rey. It’s a gesture for him and for her, for their history together, and his. It’s a sensei preparing his star pupil for her most crucial battle.

And on a practical level... SHE NEEDS A SHIP!

So thematically, not pointless. Plotwise, not pointless. And practically... you get it.

Aren't Tie's and x-wings short range fighters? How the hell were they flying them from one end of the galaxy to the other? For some reason - this bugged me

They've got light speed. I'm fine with it.

But, but....

Luke Skywalker: It followed us!
Ben Kenobi: No, it's a short-range fighter.
Han Solo: There aren't any bases around here. Where did it come from?

Donald wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Donald wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If it had been her lifting the ship
Instead of Luke

The exact same people would be completely outraged that it wasn’t Luke doin
It

The outrage would be they’re making her
More powerful than even luke

Star Wars simply cannot win against assholes and these kinds of idiotic arguments

Luke convincingly projected his image across the galaxy and Rey pulled down a ship from the air earlier in the trilogy. No one should be impressed by either lifting the X Wing out of the water.

Agree

So why the pointless twitter rant about luke doing it

Because it is a pointless scene.

The scene is a triumph for both of them. They have overcome, and Luke places his full faith in Rey. It’s a gesture for him and for her, for their history together, and his. It’s a sensei preparing his star pupil for her most crucial battle.

And on a practical level... SHE NEEDS A SHIP!

So thematically, not pointless. Plotwise, not pointless. And practically... you get it.

Aren't Tie's and x-wings short range fighters? How the hell were they flying them from one end of the galaxy to the other? For some reason - this bugged me

They've got light speed. I'm fine with it.

But, but....

Luke Skywalker: It followed us!
Ben Kenobi: No, it's a short-range fighter.
Han Solo: There aren't any bases around here. Where did it come from?

Sure, but that was a Tie. Luke takes an x-wing to Degoba like a year later!

And Kylo's Tie is supped up. Also 30 years down the line from that quote. Technology improves. I'm fine with it.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Donald wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Donald wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If it had been her lifting the ship
Instead of Luke

The exact same people would be completely outraged that it wasn’t Luke doin
It

The outrage would be they’re making her
More powerful than even luke

Star Wars simply cannot win against assholes and these kinds of idiotic arguments

Luke convincingly projected his image across the galaxy and Rey pulled down a ship from the air earlier in the trilogy. No one should be impressed by either lifting the X Wing out of the water.

Agree

So why the pointless twitter rant about luke doing it

Because it is a pointless scene.

The scene is a triumph for both of them. They have overcome, and Luke places his full faith in Rey. It’s a gesture for him and for her, for their history together, and his. It’s a sensei preparing his star pupil for her most crucial battle.

And on a practical level... SHE NEEDS A SHIP!

So thematically, not pointless. Plotwise, not pointless. And practically... you get it.

Aren't Tie's and x-wings short range fighters? How the hell were they flying them from one end of the galaxy to the other? For some reason - this bugged me

They've got light speed. I'm fine with it.

But, but....

Luke Skywalker: It followed us!
Ben Kenobi: No, it's a short-range fighter.
Han Solo: There aren't any bases around here. Where did it come from?

Sure, but that was a Tie. Luke takes an x-wing to Degoba like a year later!

And Kylo's Tie is supped up. Also 30 years down the line from that quote. Technology improves. I'm fine with it.

Joey is right again.

Tie fighters have no hyperdrive. «TIE fighters' solar panels power a twin ion engine (TIE) system that accelerates gases at a high speed along almost any vector, affording the ships tremendous speed and maneuverability. Described as lacking a hyperdrive or shield generators, the fragile TIE fighters are deployed in large numbers from bases or larger ships»

The X-wing as shown a few times in the movies, could fly far. « Compared to the TIE fighter, the X-wing was said to be slower and less maneuverable in space, but boasted superior firepower, defenses, atmospheric maneuverability, and a supraluminal hyperdrive.»

X wing and tie fighters Both have hyper drives at this stage in the timeline

The attack and starkiller Base Showed X wings using lightspeed As did the Tie fighters Using hyperspace tracking To chase the Falcon Through lightspeed skipping In this very film

That goes to the technology improves part.

« It had taken Ben Solo too long to climb through the ruins of the Death Star in search of a hangar bay, even longer to find an old scout-class TIE and coax it into flying for him. He’d then followed Rey’s transmitted tracking markers toward Exegol, but the scout’s barely functioning navicomputers had taken a wrong turn, and he’d found himself grinding through unknown rough space. It had taken all his concentration to correct his course and get back on track.

All that had been the easy part.

He landed his TIE scout beside an old Rebellion X-wing. He couldn’t help pausing to stare at the two ships. Old enemies, parked side by side.»

Ben used an old tie fighter from the death star wreckage. But it also worked.

Really good thread on what’s going on in TROS Which I know I missed a lot of.
It is worth a read if you can take the ‘It’s shît” Goggles off for just a minute.
https://twitter.com/jgfidelis52/status/ ... 61186?s=21

dimejinky99 wrote:Really good thread on what’s going on in TROS Which I know I missed a lot of.
It is worth a read if you can take the ‘It’s shît” Goggles off for just a minute.
https://twitter.com/jgfidelis52/status/ ... 61186?s=21

Sorry, I don't read Twitter threads.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Really good thread on what’s going on in TROS Which I know I missed a lot of.
It is worth a read if you can take the ‘It’s shît” Goggles off for just a minute.
https://twitter.com/jgfidelis52/status/ ... 61186?s=21

Sorry, I don't read Twitter threads.

Posted for balance:)

My rise of skywalker DVD finally arrived! !


Can’t wait to see it again

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Really good thread on what’s going on in TROS Which I know I missed a lot of.
It is worth a read if you can take the ‘It’s shît” Goggles off for just a minute.
https://twitter.com/jgfidelis52/status/ ... 61186?s=21

Sorry, I don't read Twitter threads.

Oh, it's worse than you think. Each tweet is a printscreen of text. It's like "how can I destroy humanity with my Twitter account?"

B wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Really good thread on what’s going on in TROS Which I know I missed a lot of.
It is worth a read if you can take the ‘It’s shît” Goggles off for just a minute.
https://twitter.com/jgfidelis52/status/ ... 61186?s=21

Sorry, I don't read Twitter threads.

Oh, it's worse than you think. Each tweet is a printscreen of text. It's like "how can I destroy humanity with my Twitter account?"

But what did you think of the content?

B wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Really good thread on what’s going on in TROS Which I know I missed a lot of.
It is worth a read if you can take the ‘It’s shît” Goggles off for just a minute.
https://twitter.com/jgfidelis52/status/ ... 61186?s=21

Sorry, I don't read Twitter threads.

Oh, it's worse than you think. Each tweet is a printscreen of text. It's like "how can I destroy humanity with my Twitter account?"

I looked at the first one and gave up. If you want to write an essay, don't use twitter.

durdencommatyler wrote:

B wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Really good thread on what’s going on in TROS Which I know I missed a lot of.
It is worth a read if you can take the ‘It’s shît” Goggles off for just a minute.
https://twitter.com/jgfidelis52/status/ ... 61186?s=21

Sorry, I don't read Twitter threads.

Oh, it's worse than you think. Each tweet is a printscreen of text. It's like "how can I destroy humanity with my Twitter account?"

But what did you think of the content?

I'm part of a civilization. I'm don't listen to men in tinfoil hats yelling in caves no matter how good their points are, and I don't read essays posted as a series of images across multiple tweets. As far as I'm concerned, that link to a tweet contains no content.

Cool cool cool

"Star Wars is intrinsically and consistently spiritual in its themes. Characters who seek redemption and eternal life do so by committing an act of compassion or self-sacrifice. That is how they "cheat death" as Sheev puts it.

In The Rise of Skywalker, every Skywalker does and are reborn. Sheev Palpatine overconfidently exclaimed that "the Sith will e reborn!" and yet they are the ones to fall while the Skywalkers "rise" in some capacity.

Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa are reborn as Force ghosts and transcends life itself by being one with the Force

C-3PO is a phantom Skywalker that is "born" to Anakin Skywalker in The Phantom Menace then "dies" and "reborn" in The Rise of Skywalker. R2-D2 restoring C-3PO's memory in TROS is undoing Bail Organa's orders. Not specifically a restoration of his prequel memories, but just an inverse of those actions.

Kylo Ren dies and Ben Solo is reborn. Water is commonly represented as emotional healing and the raging water surrounding the Death Star II wreckage visualized Ben's moment of healing and redemption. This is a clear inverse of the raging lava on Mustafar that visualized Anakin's raging anger consuming him. Ben was tempted by the light whilst Anakin and Luke was tempted by the dark. It is also a direct parallel to Anakin being redeemed on the Death Star II.

According to psychoanalysts like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, water represents the unconscious mind where our instincts lie. Anakin Skywalker had trouble trying to mature in the Prequel Trilogy due to his Jedi teachings that Force him to abide by reason over his instinctive passion and attachment. Killing Han Solo is Ben Solo's way of convincing himself that he's maturing. He wants to let the past die (and he did "kill" it) so he can look towards his own dark future, but he instinctively hesitated killing Rey and regretted killing his father. Han's selfless sacrifice made out of love is an aspect of Ben's memory that he neglected but is now realized after leia and Rey showed him compassion. He became a passionate little boy again when he acknowledged Han as "dad."

Rey dies a Palpatine and Rey is reborn a Skywalker. Force healing is metaphorically representative of the Skywalker and Palpatine families healing past familial and generational sins.

Sheev Palpatine "killed" Anakin Skywalker who killed Padme Amidala (and even Bail Organa "killed" C-3PO at the same time) as a way to wipe out the Skywalker lineage so it could never be reborn. Darth Vader and the Empire were born out of that. However, Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa were the secret newborn hope for the Skywalker legacy. Luke became a legend and redeemed Anakin which led to Sheev's death.

However, because Disney decided to make a sequel trilogy, they had to give it a purpose that honors the legacy of George Lucas's magnum opus. So Sheev tried to pull a Darth Plagueis and cheat death through cloning so he can subliminally seduce the last Skywalker, Ben Solo. Luke, in poetic Star Wars fashion, repeated the use of the failed prequel Jedi teachings and failed Ben exactly how Obi-Wan failed Anakin. Kylo Ren rose like how Darth Vader rose. Luke is hesitant to train Rey because she was a Palpatine and he instantly knew that once Rey said she's from Jakku. However, it took that Palpatine of all people to be the one to instill hope into Luke that the legacy of the dogma and failure of the Jedi can be changed and revitalized. Both Ben and Rey come to an intimate understanding that her parents are nobodies and she had no place in the Skywalker story. Ben later revealed to Rey that she indeed has a place and that she's a Palpatine.

Rey's parents being nobody still has merit and a role in the story despite being retconned in The Rise of Skywalker and even Rian Johnson entertained the idea of the writers for Episode IX pullin a "from a certain point of view" for that. The Rey Palpatine reveal more so recontextualized Rey's parents' intention to protect her from her grandfather, but other than that it wasn't undone in any way. It exemplified how Rey need to come to terms with how she was truly alone and it also doesn't change the fact that she grew up to be a scavenging nobody like her parents so she goes about her journey like so. This is something Sheev Palpatine reiterated since he was aware that she wasn't in the right mindset to take the Sithe throne. The Palpatine reveal being done in the third film even strengthened her decision to stay with the Resistance since fighting with them in that one year time span is more than enough time for her to feel comfortable considering them her family. Her lack of parents is also a neat mythology expansion and synthesis of Anakin Skywalker not having a father and Luke Skywalker not having a mother.

Anyway, Ben then reveals to Rey that they are a Skywalker-Palpatine dyad in the Force which indicative of them being the last hope to put an end to their familial siins. Rey decided exile herself on Ach-To after giving Ben his last chance to redeem himself Ben was then redeemed by his father, much like how Anakin was redeemed by his son. Luke passes on is lesson of failure to Rey and instilled hope in her being the legacy of the Skywalkers and the Jedi despite her Palpatine blood.

The Saga starts with the Jedi acting on their fears which blinds them to their downfall and the Saga ends with Luke telling Rey to confront her fear and rectify those mistakes. So Rey rejected and killed Palpatine with the Skywalker lightsabers Mace Windu style with all the past Jedi to aid her to prevent the Sith and a new Empire to be reborn.

Ben revived Rey by laying his hand on her womb region to transfer his life force. he did what Anakin never could with Padem by saving the woman he loved. This is a deliberate riff on a prince bringing a princess back to life by kissing her dead corpse in a fairy tale and Star Wars is meant to be a modern fairy tale.

Rey, a Palpatine who grew up as a nobody and was inspired by the legend of Luke Skywalker, has now become the next maternal Shmi Skywalker figure who "birthed" a new legacy of Skywalker beyond blood by carrying the title. Once she declared herself as "Rey Skywalker," the cycle of the sins of the Skywalkers and Palpatines have halted and balance is restored once more.

JJ Abrams, the most compulsive of crowd-pleasers, didn't undermine the immensely happy victory celebration in Return of the Jedi with an even happier ending for The Rise of Skywalker. Instead, he melds together the tragic quality of the prequel trilogy's ending and the cheerful ending of the original trilogy to leave the Saga off with a bittersweet ending. Perhaps even more bitterness than sweetness.

Yellow is the color of youth, creation, technology so Rey's creation of her yellow lightsaber on Tatooine in the final Skywalker Saga movie is a direct riff on Anakin Skywalker's creation of golden C-3PO and his yellow podracer on Tatooine in the first Skywalker Saga movie. Anakin has maintained his association with the color yellow with his use of the Naboo starfighter, the airspeeder in Attack of the Clones (which is based off the yellow sports car in George Lucas's 1:40.08, a student film he made in his youth), and his Jedi starfighters in both The Clone Wars and Revenge of The Sith. This was a severe sign of him not being able to mature because of the Jedi's teachings that use reason to hold back his passions.

Luke Skywalker wore a yellow jacket at the end of A New Hope as he was at his youngest in the story which adds to the movie being a light, straightforward, crowd-pleasing, coming of age tale which is also the antithesis to his father's inability to mature. In The Empire Strikes Back, he wore a dirtier tan suit, showing that youthfulness fading away once he learns his father is the most hated man in the universe. He then wears black in Return of the Jedi, showing how he's becoming more like his father and being tempted to the dark side as he was.

Rey's creation of a yellow lightsaber at the end of her journey is indicative of a renewal of her childhood rather than a regression to it. She dies a Palpatine and retires her adulthood as she is reborn a Skywalker (via Ben Solo's life force) and is given a new childhood. The final scene is her returning to a familiar home to honor the Skywalker legacy by burying the lightsabers and also to make peace with her own upbringing.

The green lightsaber represents the balance that's holding passion (red) and reason (blue) in tension. Qui-Gon Jinn wielded a green lightsaber which represents his underlying dislike for the teachings of the Jedi. Luke Skywalker wielded a green lightsaber as he was tempted by both the light an dark sides. The yellow lightsaber represents the transcending of both the red and the blue. The red lightsaber, representative of the Sith, is cast into the sea. The blue lightsabers, representative of the Jedi, are buried underneath the surface of land. The yellow lightsaber is a symbol that represents the Skywalker family, a family who's love and bond is so powerful that it transcended blood and were granted the light side power to cheat the deaths of the ones they love by virtue of compassion and self-sacrifice."

Did you just transcribe that twitter feed?

B wrote:Did you just transcribe that twitter feed?

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