Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

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Well?

Loved it - among the best Star Wars Movies
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8%
Really liked it, but not one of the best
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Liked it - it's Star Wars
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Ehhh
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I miss the prequels
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B wrote:Did you just transcribe that twitter feed?
Now what's your excuse?
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durdencommatyler wrote:
B wrote:Did you just transcribe that twitter feed?
Now what's your excuse?
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durdencommatyler wrote:"Star Wars is intrinsically and consistently spiritual in its themes. Characters who seek redemption and eternal life do so by committing an act of compassion or self-sacrifice. That is how they "cheat death" as Sheev puts it.

In The Rise of Skywalker, every Skywalker dies and are reborn. Sheev Palpatine overconfidently exclaimed that "the Sith will e reborn!" and yet they are the ones to fall while the Skywalkers "rise" in some capacity.

Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa are reborn as Force ghosts and transcends life itself by being one with the Force

C-3PO is a phantom Skywalker that is "born" to Anakin Skywalker in The Phantom Menace then "dies" and "reborn" in The Rise of Skywalker. R2-D2 restoring C-3PO's memory in TROS is undoing Bail Organa's orders. Not specifically a restoration of his prequel memories, but just an inverse of those actions.

Kylo Ren dies and Ben Solo is reborn. Water is commonly represented as emotional healing and the raging water surrounding the Death Star II wreckage visualized Ben's moment of healing and redemption. This is a clear inverse of the raging lava on Mustafar that visualized Anakin's raging anger consuming him. Ben was tempted by the light whilst Anakin and Luke was tempted by the dark. It is also a direct parallel to Anakin being redeemed on the Death Star II.

According to psychoanalysts like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, water represents the unconscious mind where our instincts lie. Anakin Skywalker had trouble trying to mature in the Prequel Trilogy due to his Jedi teachings that Force him to abide by reason over his instinctive passion and attachment. Killing Han Solo is Ben Solo's way of convincing himself that he's maturing. He wants to let the past die (and he did "kill" it) so he can look towards his own dark future, but he instinctively hesitated killing Rey and regretted killing his father. Han's selfless sacrifice made out of love is an aspect of Ben's memory that he neglected but is now realized after leia and Rey showed him compassion. He became a passionate little boy again when he acknowledged Han as "dad."

Rey dies a Palpatine and Rey is reborn a Skywalker. Force healing is metaphorically representative of the Skywalker and Palpatine families healing past familial and generational sins.

Sheev Palpatine "killed" Anakin Skywalker who killed Padme Amidala (and even Bail Organa "killed" C-3PO at the same time) as a way to wipe out the Skywalker lineage so it could never be reborn. Darth Vader and the Empire were born out of that. However, Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa were the secret newborn hope for the Skywalker legacy. Luke became a legend and redeemed Anakin which led to Sheev's death.

However, because Disney decided to make a sequel trilogy, they had to give it a purpose that honors the legacy of George Lucas's magnum opus. So Sheev tried to pull a Darth Plagueis and cheat death through cloning so he can subliminally seduce the last Skywalker, Ben Solo. Luke, in poetic Star Wars fashion, repeated the use of the failed prequel Jedi teachings and failed Ben exactly how Obi-Wan failed Anakin. Kylo Ren rose like how Darth Vader rose. Luke is hesitant to train Rey because she was a Palpatine and he instantly knew that once Rey said she's from Jakku. However, it took that Palpatine of all people to be the one to instill hope into Luke that the legacy of the dogma and failure of the Jedi can be changed and revitalized. Both Ben and Rey come to an intimate understanding that her parents are nobodies and she had no place in the Skywalker story. Ben later revealed to Rey that she indeed has a place and that she's a Palpatine.

Rey's parents being nobody still has merit and a role in the story despite being retconned in The Rise of Skywalker and even Rian Johnson entertained the idea of the writers for Episode IX pullin a "from a certain point of view" for that. The Rey Palpatine reveal more so recontextualized Rey's parents' intention to protect her from her grandfather, but other than that it wasn't undone in any way. It exemplified how Rey need to come to terms with how she was truly alone and it also doesn't change the fact that she grew up to be a scavenging nobody like her parents so she goes about her journey like so. This is something Sheev Palpatine reiterated since he was aware that she wasn't in the right mindset to take the Sithe throne. The Palpatine reveal being done in the third film even strengthened her decision to stay with the Resistance since fighting with them in that one year time span is more than enough time for her to feel comfortable considering them her family. Her lack of parents is also a neat mythology expansion and synthesis of Anakin Skywalker not having a father and Luke Skywalker not having a mother.

Anyway, Ben then reveals to Rey that they are a Skywalker-Palpatine dyad in the Force which indicative of them being the last hope to put an end to their familial siins. Rey decided exile herself on Ach-To after giving Ben his last chance to redeem himself Ben was then redeemed by his father, much like how Anakin was redeemed by his son. Luke passes on is lesson of failure to Rey and instilled hope in her being the legacy of the Skywalkers and the Jedi despite her Palpatine blood.

The Saga starts with the Jedi acting on their fears which blinds them to their downfall and the Saga ends with Luke telling Rey to confront her fear and rectify those mistakes. So Rey rejected and killed Palpatine with the Skywalker lightsabers Mace Windu style with all the past Jedi to aid her to prevent the Sith and a new Empire to be reborn.

Ben revived Rey by laying his hand on her womb region to transfer his life force. he did what Anakin never could with Padem by saving the woman he loved. This is a deliberate riff on a prince bringing a princess back to life by kissing her dead corpse in a fairy tale and Star Wars is meant to be a modern fairy tale.

Rey, a Palpatine who grew up as a nobody and was inspired by the legend of Luke Skywalker, has now become the next maternal Shmi Skywalker figure who "birthed" a new legacy of Skywalker beyond blood by carrying the title. Once she declared herself as "Rey Skywalker," the cycle of the sins of the Skywalkers and Palpatines have halted and balance is restored once more.

JJ Abrams, the most compulsive of crowd-pleasers, didn't undermine the immensely happy victory celebration in Return of the Jedi with an even happier ending for The Rise of Skywalker. Instead, he melds together the tragic quality of the prequel trilogy's ending and the cheerful ending of the original trilogy to leave the Saga off with a bittersweet ending. Perhaps even more bitterness than sweetness.

Yellow is the color of youth, creation, technology so Rey's creation of her yellow lightsaber on Tatooine in the final Skywalker Saga movie is a direct riff on Anakin Skywalker's creation of golden C-3PO and his yellow podracer on Tatooine in the first Skywalker Saga movie. Anakin has maintained his association with the color yellow with his use of the Naboo starfighter, the airspeeder in Attack of the Clones (which is based off the yellow sports car in George Lucas's 1:40.08, a student film he made in his youth), and his Jedi starfighters in both The Clone Wars and Revenge of The Sith. This was a severe sign of him not being able to mature because of the Jedi's teachings that use reason to hold back his passions.

Luke Skywalker wore a yellow jacket at the end of A New Hope as he was at his youngest in the story which adds to the movie being a light, straightforward, crowd-pleasing, coming of age tale which is also the antithesis to his father's inability to mature. In The Empire Strikes Back, he wore a dirtier tan suit, showing that youthfulness fading away once he learns his father is the most hated man in the universe. He then wears black in Return of the Jedi, showing how he's becoming more like his father and being tempted to the dark side as he was.

Rey's creation of a yellow lightsaber at the end of her journey is indicative of a renewal of her childhood rather than a regression to it. She dies a Palpatine and retires her adulthood as she is reborn a Skywalker (via Ben Solo's life force) and is given a new childhood. The final scene is her returning to a familiar home to honor the Skywalker legacy by burying the lightsabers and also to make peace with her own upbringing.

The green lightsaber represents the balance that's holding passion (red) and reason (blue) in tension. Qui-Gon Jinn wielded a green lightsaber which represents his underlying dislike for the teachings of the Jedi. Luke Skywalker wielded a green lightsaber as he was tempted by both the light an dark sides. The yellow lightsaber represents the transcending of both the red and the blue. The red lightsaber, representative of the Sith, is cast into the sea. The blue lightsabers, representative of the Jedi, are buried underneath the surface of land. The yellow lightsaber is a symbol that represents the Skywalker family, a family who's love and bond is so powerful that it transcended blood and were granted the light side power to cheat the deaths of the ones they love by virtue of compassion and self-sacrifice."
Good opening. I’ll read the rest later. Thank you.
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Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
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B wrote:
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B wrote:Did you just transcribe that twitter feed?
Now what's your excuse?
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wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
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durdencommatyler wrote:
wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
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wease wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
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Why did Padme die?
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Anders wrote:Why did Padme die?
The life drained from her. The droid that was attending her said it was as if she just lost the will to live and died of a broken heart.
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Rey Stabbing Kylo andd the immense pain he felt is what killed Leah because she felt it



Rey killed Leia
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Anders wrote:Why did Padme die?
She ate expired meat.
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wease wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
There's some debate that the Emperor killed Padme, isn't there?
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Anders wrote:Why did Padme die?
She ate expired meat.
Probably the best explanation offered.

Lucas should’ve made it where Anakin actually DID do something that caused her to die. The reason offered is fucking stupid and beyond all reasoning. We’ve all had someone break our hearts and we’ve all experienced periods of hopelessness so vast we don’t want to go on. But we don’t fucking die because of it. Just fucking beyond ridiculous.

So as it stands, dying caused her to die.
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B wrote:
wease wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
There's some debate that the Emperor killed Padme, isn't there?
This is the first I’ve ever heard of it. How did he go about doing it?
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wease wrote:
B wrote:
wease wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
There's some debate that the Emperor killed Padme, isn't there?
This is the first I’ve ever heard of it. How did he go about doing it?
I can't remember the details, but ... something, something ... Sith power to control life and death ... something, something ... that's why no one could explain why she was dying ... something, something ... it would crush any light left in Vader.
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One theory amongst fans is the what if scenario that Palpatine stole Padmé’s life force and transferred it to Anakin.

In Legends, Palpatine possessed the ability of Transfer Essence, a Sith exclusive ability where the power transferred the life of one person into someone else. However, no concrete evidence is given to how the senator died in canon.

Transfer Essence is not a power in new continuity so we can’t explain Padmé’s death in this way.

One question remains what the evil emperor achieved upon Padmé’s death. As a patient, cunning Sith, Palpatine’s end goal was to get Anakin to his control. The Sith Lord anticipated exploiting the young Jedi’s feelings to get what he wanted.

With his mother dead and his friendship with Obi-Wan erased, Anakin’s life spiraled into Palpatine’s hands. The young Jedi’s loyalty now laid on him. This gets confirmed by Vader during his conversation with Luke in Return of the Jedi.
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B wrote:
wease wrote:
B wrote:
wease wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
There's some debate that the Emperor killed Padme, isn't there?
This is the first I’ve ever heard of it. How did he go about doing it?
I can't remember the details, but ... something, something ... Sith power to control life and death ... something, something ... that's why no one could explain why she was dying ... something, something ... it would crush any light left in Vader.
I’m not averse to that happening, but I don’t think there’s any real evidence of it.
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wease wrote:
B wrote:
wease wrote:
B wrote:
wease wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
wease wrote:Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
It's probably a certain point of view kind of thing. If she died of a broken heart, then one could say that the person who broke her heart is the one that killed her.
Anakin did not kill Padme. Padme’s dying killed Padme.
There's some debate that the Emperor killed Padme, isn't there?
This is the first I’ve ever heard of it. How did he go about doing it?
I can't remember the details, but ... something, something ... Sith power to control life and death ... something, something ... that's why no one could explain why she was dying ... something, something ... it would crush any light left in Vader.
I’m not averse to that happening, but I don’t think there’s any real evidence of it.
Well, it's a theory.
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wease wrote:I’m not averse to that happening, but I don’t think there’s any real evidence of it.
There's no real evidence of God, but 85-90% of people belong to some religion.
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