Red Mosquito

Malloy wrote:normalizing violence against a black man in a room full of white people post-george floyd is not ok, and seems pretty inconsistent w my vague notions of your politics, harmless

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I just don't wait for organisational committees to tell me what things are about

are you seeing this happen here or
elsewhere?

I felt it was implied in the fact that Jada has talked about issues of race and hair in articles since it happened, but her feelings don't matter and we're waiting for "additional evidence"; it's not about race until... I don't even know

Let's just say... to her, based on her apparent statement(s), it had racial elements, but to Chris Rock and everyone else, it might not have.

in that case, impact trumps intent; I don't care that nobody "meant" anything, I care about what happened

See, you're mistaking one person's perspective for objective reality.

I'm prioritising a victim's perspective over Tree's reality

a majority isn't "in the right" about anything just because it's a majority; I'm regularly in rooms where I am the only wheelchair user, and thus I am regularly in rooms where I'm the only person who isn't thick as pig shit about disabled access

I'm not saying my personal reality trumps anyone's. I'm actually saying everyone has their own perspective, and one doesn't outweigh the others just because they happen to be feeling pain or discomfort or anything, therefore if someone doesn't happen to be acknowledging your personal truth in a moment, it doesn't mean they are actively trying to harm you. It may just be a lack of awareness, a misunderstanding on your part.

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:normalizing violence against a black man in a room full of white people post-george floyd is not ok, and seems pretty inconsistent w my vague notions of your politics, harmless

we're not talking about white violence against Black men

love how Will Smith's Blackness *and* Jada's Blackness is being erased here to defend a guy whose LOLs we crave

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I just don't wait for organisational committees to tell me what things are about

are you seeing this happen here or
elsewhere?

I felt it was implied in the fact that Jada has talked about issues of race and hair in articles since it happened, but her feelings don't matter and we're waiting for "additional evidence"; it's not about race until... I don't even know

Let's just say... to her, based on her apparent statement(s), it had racial elements, but to Chris Rock and everyone else, it might not have.

in that case, impact trumps intent; I don't care that nobody "meant" anything, I care about what happened

See, you're mistaking one person's perspective for objective reality.

I'm prioritising a victim's perspective over Tree's reality

a majority isn't "in the right" about anything just because it's a majority; I'm regularly in rooms where I am the only wheelchair user, and thus I am regularly in rooms where I'm the only person who isn't thick as pig shit about disabled access

I'm not saying my personal reality trumps anyone's. I'm actually saying everyone has their own perspective, and one doesn't outweigh the others just because they happen to be feeling pain or discomfort or anything, therefore if someone doesn't happen to be acknowledging your personal truth in a moment, it doesn't mean they are actively trying to harm you. It may just be a lack of awareness, a misunderstanding on your part.

right, but if someone is repeatedly hurting me, I don't care if it was repeatedly an accident; a pattern is a pattern and my only priority is to end it

Will Smith ended his

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:normalizing violence against a black man in a room full of white people post-george floyd is not ok, and seems pretty inconsistent w my vague notions of your politics, harmless

we're not talking about white violence against Black men

love how Will Smith's Blackness *and* Jada's Blackness is being erased here to defend a guy whose LOLs we crave

love how you’re erasing assault against a black man on television!

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I just don't wait for organisational committees to tell me what things are about

are you seeing this happen here or
elsewhere?

I felt it was implied in the fact that Jada has talked about issues of race and hair in articles since it happened, but her feelings don't matter and we're waiting for "additional evidence"; it's not about race until... I don't even know

Let's just say... to her, based on her apparent statement(s), it had racial elements, but to Chris Rock and everyone else, it might not have.

in that case, impact trumps intent; I don't care that nobody "meant" anything, I care about what happened

See, you're mistaking one person's perspective for objective reality.

I'm prioritising a victim's perspective over Tree's reality

a majority isn't "in the right" about anything just because it's a majority; I'm regularly in rooms where I am the only wheelchair user, and thus I am regularly in rooms where I'm the only person who isn't thick as pig shit about disabled access

I'm not saying my personal reality trumps anyone's. I'm actually saying everyone has their own perspective, and one doesn't outweigh the others just because they happen to be feeling pain or discomfort or anything, therefore if someone doesn't happen to be acknowledging your personal truth in a moment, it doesn't mean they are actively trying to harm you. It may just be a lack of awareness, a misunderstanding on your part.

right, but if someone is repeatedly hurting me, I don't care if it was repeatedly an accident; a pattern is a pattern and my only priority is to end it

Will Smith ended his

But surely you know that if intentions are pure then violence is absolutely unjustified

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I just don't wait for organisational committees to tell me what things are about

are you seeing this happen here or
elsewhere?

I felt it was implied in the fact that Jada has talked about issues of race and hair in articles since it happened, but her feelings don't matter and we're waiting for "additional evidence"; it's not about race until... I don't even know

Let's just say... to her, based on her apparent statement(s), it had racial elements, but to Chris Rock and everyone else, it might not have.

in that case, impact trumps intent; I don't care that nobody "meant" anything, I care about what happened

See, you're mistaking one person's perspective for objective reality.

I'm prioritising a victim's perspective over Tree's reality

a majority isn't "in the right" about anything just because it's a majority; I'm regularly in rooms where I am the only wheelchair user, and thus I am regularly in rooms where I'm the only person who isn't thick as pig shit about disabled access

I'm not saying my personal reality trumps anyone's. I'm actually saying everyone has their own perspective, and one doesn't outweigh the others just because they happen to be feeling pain or discomfort or anything, therefore if someone doesn't happen to be acknowledging your personal truth in a moment, it doesn't mean they are actively trying to harm you. It may just be a lack of awareness, a misunderstanding on your part.

right, but if someone is repeatedly hurting me, I don't care if it was repeatedly an accident; a pattern is a pattern and my only priority is to end it

Will Smith ended his

But surely you know that if intentions are pure then violence is absolutely unjustified

Mickey wrote:I want to say that only a low-IQ barely literate mouth-breather would read my posts and think "class reductionist" but then each of those insults would imbricate me in a number of further dramas, which could result in slaps being both given and received, a situation I think it best we all avoid.

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:normalizing violence against a black man in a room full of white people post-george floyd is not ok, and seems pretty inconsistent w my vague notions of your politics, harmless

we're not talking about white violence against Black men

love how Will Smith's Blackness *and* Jada's Blackness is being erased here to defend a guy whose LOLs we crave

love how you’re erasing assault against a black man on television!

by a black man!!!!!

The Argonaut wrote:

Mickey wrote:I want to say that only a low-IQ barely literate mouth-breather would read my posts and think "class reductionist" but then each of those insults would imbricate me in a number of further dramas, which could result in slaps being both given and received, a situation I think it best we all avoid.

You're incapable of thinking intersectionally

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:normalizing violence against a black man in a room full of white people post-george floyd is not ok, and seems pretty inconsistent w my vague notions of your politics, harmless

we're not talking about white violence against Black men

love how Will Smith's Blackness *and* Jada's Blackness is being erased here to defend a guy whose LOLs we crave

love how you’re erasing assault against a black man on television!

by a black man!!!!!

normalizing the assault & oppression of black men, by thomas jefferson or clarence thomas, is not ok. never took you for a reactionary

Malloy wrote:also salivating over conflict between two black men & the kind of paternalism at play is low-key racist and high-key sexist

washing machine wrote:I think Strat's Jada shaming earlier in this thread was overlooked.

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Malloy wrote:normalizing violence against a black man in a room full of white people post-george floyd is not ok, and seems pretty inconsistent w my vague notions of your politics, harmless

we're not talking about white violence against Black men

love how Will Smith's Blackness *and* Jada's Blackness is being erased here to defend a guy whose LOLs we crave

love how you’re erasing assault against a black man on television!

by a black man!!!!!

normalizing the assault & oppression of black men, by thomas jefferson or clarence thomas, is not ok. never took you for a reactionary

I honestly don't think Will smacking Chris Rock is "normalizing the oppression of Black men" but OK