Red Mosquito

spike wrote:okay, we're on the same page then.

what's also interesting about the gray matter interview is them mentioning starting a charity to fight drug use in walt's old neck of the woods. perhaps his personal redemption will simply be anonymously donating all his barrels of money to that cause, since he can't get it to his family (not that they even want it). his $80 million scoreboards gray matter's $28 million too, heh.

I don't see his current motivation being borne out of any kind of positive emotion-- i.e. justice, or righting a wrong-- at least not in the conventional sense that you or I might understand. His pride is his Achilles heel. I think it's clever the way the writers gave us room to interpret Walt's actions and though processes for ourselves to some degree in these last couple of episodes...he is largely without ties, a man in true isolation. So, for example, I can understand a viewer interpreting Walt as being "moved" by the Charlie Rose interview to positive action-- but I feel like I know that seething look on his face a little too well. He doesn't give a shit about "redeeming" himself. I'm not sure he even understands the concept at this point.

And as for the bulk of his money, unless I'm missing something, it's either going to shortly wind up in DEA hands, or remain undiscovered in the cabin until the end of time and/or Vacuum Cleaner Guy gets up the nerve to go after it.

broken iris wrote:

tommymctom wrote:I can't believe Jeff Daniels beat out Bryan Cranston for the best actor Emmy. The Newsroom is preachy garbage - who actually watches that shit?

Hollywood has to stay on message.

You only submit one episode to be judged by the Emmy voters. The context of the entire season/series isn't usually considered.

griffinxi wrote: So, for example, I can understand a viewer interpreting Walt as being "moved" by the Charlie Rose interview to positive action-- but I feel like I know that seething look on his face a little too well. He doesn't give a shit about "redeeming" himself.

Coming directly after that heartbreaking call with his kid, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

Walt is well beyond redemption at this point. The only way this wraps up in anything close to a "good" way is if Walt kills the Nazis and Jesse kills walt then escapes to Alaska with Brock.

tommymctom wrote:Walt is well beyond redemption at this point. The only way this wraps up in anything close to a "good" way is if Walt kills the Nazis and Jesse kills walt then escapes to Alaska with Brock.

*New Hampshire and lives off of Walt's money barrel.

tommymctom wrote:Walt is well beyond redemption at this point. The only way this wraps up in anything close to a "good" way is if Walt kills the Nazis and Jesse kills walt then escapes to Alaska with Brock.

Poor Brock!! Jesse is a coward fuck up....

Good episode and setup for the finale.

Insignificant pet peeve: Walt emerging from the propane tank truck in NH. So, 2200 miles sitting in tank, eh? No pillow? No blanket? Or do we just assume there was a bunch of vehicles involved in that transport?

theplatypus wrote:

griffinxi wrote: So, for example, I can understand a viewer interpreting Walt as being "moved" by the Charlie Rose interview to positive action-- but I feel like I know that seething look on his face a little too well. He doesn't give a shit about "redeeming" himself.

Coming directly after that heartbreaking call with his kid, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

The call was indeed heartbreaking, and he was content to let himself be caught as a result of it. But the thing that got him off his bar stool were his former colleagues writing him off on television coupled with the knowledge that the Heisenberg Blue is still out there courtesy of Jack's gang (and Jesse, obviously). It's Grey Matter all over again for him-- being written out of his own "glorious" accomplishments. I feel like, with the phone call to Walt Jr., all the pretenses of this being about supporting his family have finally been scoured away and all that's left is the villain.

But, we'll see.

griffinxi wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

griffinxi wrote: So, for example, I can understand a viewer interpreting Walt as being "moved" by the Charlie Rose interview to positive action-- but I feel like I know that seething look on his face a little too well. He doesn't give a shit about "redeeming" himself.

Coming directly after that heartbreaking call with his kid, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

The call was indeed heartbreaking, and he was content to let himself be caught as a result of it. But the thing that got him off his bar stool were his former colleagues writing him off on television coupled with the knowledge that the Heisenberg Blue is still out there courtesy of Jack's gang (and Jesse, obviously). It's Grey Matter all over again for him-- being written out of his own "glorious" accomplishments. I feel like, with the phone call to Walt Jr., all the pretenses of this being about supporting his family have finally been scoured away and all that's left is the villain.

But, we'll see.

Yup. I posted this a while back when Jesse talked about where Walt "really lives", it isn't his money, but his legacy. The money was suppose to be his legacy, since that's presumably out the window, Heisenberg's legacy is what's left to preserve. I still think he spare Jesse in the end, to his own demise. A tiny act of redemption because he cannot help his real son.

Robert Forster.

Skinny Pete regales us with some Tchaikovsky

That episode felt like it was 5 minutes long, this show is closing so fucking good.

Todd must die.

lowlight79 wrote:Todd must die.

yeah, but this show surprises me every time, so it would be cool if they let him live.

That whole Aryan crew needs to get got

It's not revenge he's after. It's a reckoning.

griffinxi wrote:

spike wrote:okay, we're on the same page then.

what's also interesting about the gray matter interview is them mentioning starting a charity to fight drug use in walt's old neck of the woods. perhaps his personal redemption will simply be anonymously donating all his barrels of money to that cause, since he can't get it to his family (not that they even want it). his $80 million scoreboards gray matter's $28 million too, heh.

I don't see his current motivation being borne out of any kind of positive emotion-- i.e. justice, or righting a wrong-- at least not in the conventional sense that you or I might understand. His pride is his Achilles heel. I think it's clever the way the writers gave us room to interpret Walt's actions and though processes for ourselves to some degree in these last couple of episodes...he is largely without ties, a man in true isolation. So, for example, I can understand a viewer interpreting Walt as being "moved" by the Charlie Rose interview to positive action-- but I feel like I know that seething look on his face a little too well. He doesn't give a shit about "redeeming" himself. I'm not sure he even understands the concept at this point.

And as for the bulk of his money, unless I'm missing something, it's either going to shortly wind up in DEA hands, or remain undiscovered in the cabin until the end of time and/or Vacuum Cleaner Guy gets up the nerve to go after it.

i'm not suggesting he's positively motivated at this point; quite the opposite. the personal redemption of his money going to the charity could come later; he does so anonymously to demonstrate that he's finally no longer a slave to his ego and legacy. this would all happen just before he kicks the bucket, whether by bullet or cancer.

spike wrote: just before he kicks the bucket, whether by bullet or cancer.

ricin?

Harry Lime wrote:

spike wrote: just before he kicks the bucket, whether by bullet or cancer.

ricin?

SAY 'ELLO TO MY LI'L RICIN CAPLET

VinylGuy wrote: Robert Forster.

Loved that casting choice - it was like Max Cherry got into a different line of work.