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Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 9:34 pm
by PHATJ
Monkey_Driven wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:The league and smart Bulls fans don't value Jimmy Butler as much as casual fans or outsiders do. He's a good player, but if he was a difference maker don't you think Boston would have put together a better deal. I thought the Bulls could have gotten a better deal but the important thing is deciding to tank. Dumb Bulls fans lost in their fee fees over Jimmy don't get how much being an 8 seed over the next 2 years would set the team back.
Don't get the Lavine Butler contract comparison at all. Lavine is coming off an ACL and will have limited production this season. If the Bulls want to match whatever offer he gets from another team I doubt it breaks the bank. Butler on the other hand is going to command a huge contract and be a 30 year old who still hasn't won anything as the best player on a team.
I wasn't talking about Butler's next deal.
Also, Towns might be the best player on the team now. Will definitely be in the next year or two.
This is the most important point. I don't think Butler is good enough to be the best player on a "great" team, but he doesn't have to be in this situation. Towns is already the better player and he doesn't even turn 22 until this fall. Just imagine how good he could be in a couple of years. If Butler is the second best player and maybe the third highest scorer (Wiggins averaged 24 last year) on his own team (which could very well be the case in MN), then you are looking a a great scenario.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 9:38 pm
by PHATJ
Remember, KAT averaged 25 and 12 last season, his second year in the league. Those numbers are as good as KG in his prime, and Towns should still be several years away from his prime. His potential is scary high. I think he could well be a (multiple time) league MVP at some point.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 9:55 pm
by PHATJ
verb_to_trust wrote:The league and smart Bulls fans don't value Jimmy Butler as much as casual fans or outsiders do. He's a good player, but if he was a difference maker don't you think Boston would have put together a better deal. I thought the Bulls could have gotten a better deal but the important thing is deciding to tank. Dumb Bulls fans lost in their fee fees over Jimmy don't get how much being an 8 seed over the next 2 years would set the team back.
Don't get the Lavine Butler contract comparison at all. Lavine is coming off an ACL and will have limited production this season. If the Bulls want to match whatever offer he gets from another team I doubt it breaks the bank. Butler on the other hand is going to command a huge contract and be a 30 year old who still hasn't won anything as the best player on a team.
Danny Ainge says the Celtics took several shots to acquire Jimmy Butler over the years but that the team wasn't involved in negotiations this week before Minnesota swooped in for the three-time All-Star.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 10:26 pm
by PHATJ
CP3 and Blake both have opted for free agency.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 10:37 pm
by verb_to_trust
PHATJ wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:The league and smart Bulls fans don't value Jimmy Butler as much as casual fans or outsiders do. He's a good player, but if he was a difference maker don't you think Boston would have put together a better deal. I thought the Bulls could have gotten a better deal but the important thing is deciding to tank. Dumb Bulls fans lost in their fee fees over Jimmy don't get how much being an 8 seed over the next 2 years would set the team back.
Don't get the Lavine Butler contract comparison at all. Lavine is coming off an ACL and will have limited production this season. If the Bulls want to match whatever offer he gets from another team I doubt it breaks the bank. Butler on the other hand is going to command a huge contract and be a 30 year old who still hasn't won anything as the best player on a team.
Danny Ainge says the Celtics took several shots to acquire Jimmy Butler over the years but that the team wasn't involved in negotiations this week before Minnesota swooped in for the three-time All-Star.
Because Danny thinks fair value is Terry Rozier straight up. Fuck that guy and his 'assets'.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 10:39 pm
by verb_to_trust
PHATJ wrote:CP3 and Blake both have opted for free agency.
I heard they are joining the Warriors...for FREE.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 10:41 pm
by PHATJ
verb_to_trust wrote:PHATJ wrote:CP3 and Blake both have opted for free agency.
I heard they are joining the Warriors...for FREE.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 11:07 pm
by PHATJ
This is a (surprisingly) good article from ESPN about the Butler trade from both teams perspectives.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/pr ... -bulls-nba
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Fri June 23, 2017 11:20 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Zach Lowe is probably the best NBA writer out there. You should check out all his stuff.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Sat June 24, 2017 4:41 am
by Bammer
Monkey_Driven wrote:
Zach Lowe is probably the best NBA writer out there. You should check out all his stuff.
ALL of it.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Sat June 24, 2017 4:47 am
by verb_to_trust
ESPN fired that guy
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Sat June 24, 2017 5:47 am
by Monkey_Driven
Bammer wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:
Zach Lowe is probably the best NBA writer out there. You should check out all his stuff.
ALL of it.
He had a great run in the spring of 2014.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Sat June 24, 2017 10:47 pm
by PHATJ
verb_to_trust wrote:ESPN fired that guy
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon June 26, 2017 3:56 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Bets on who fetches the dumbest contract next week?
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon June 26, 2017 4:02 pm
by @SkitchP
Danny Ainge is basically Kevin McCallister and his draft picks are roller blades.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon June 26, 2017 4:12 pm
by run2death
I would imagine Paul gets a crazy contract. The respect he gets in the league will outweigh the fairly sharp drop in numbers he'll likely see in the next couple of years.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon June 26, 2017 4:32 pm
by verb_to_trust
@SkitchP wrote:Danny Ainge is basically Kevin McCallister and his draft picks are roller blades.
Lol yep
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon June 26, 2017 4:34 pm
by verb_to_trust
run2death wrote:I would imagine Paul gets a crazy contract. The respect he gets in the league will outweigh the fairly sharp drop in numbers he'll likely see in the next couple of years.
Wherever he goes he'll be headed for DWade territory by the end of the deal.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon June 26, 2017 5:36 pm
by Monkey_Driven
verb_to_trust wrote:run2death wrote:I would imagine Paul gets a crazy contract. The respect he gets in the league will outweigh the fairly sharp drop in numbers he'll likely see in the next couple of years.
Wherever he goes he'll be headed for DWade territory by the end of the deal.
He will never even sniff a conference finals if he signs that big of a contract.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon June 26, 2017 5:42 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Am I missing something here?
Paul George alone isn't going to help the Cavs get over the Warriors. They need depth. Also, lol at any of the following veterans thinking they can go somewhere other than Golden State and have a chance at winning a title
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Blake Griffin