Red Mosquito

verb_to_trust wrote:I don't interpret the flailing most governors are doing with worrying about safety as much as trying to save face somehow politically. Where is the hard evidence restaurants drive the spread for example? Or schools? It's not really there but if you're playing politics you make the move to restrict them because the deaths are coming anyway and you can't give them an excuse to come for your head.

The politicians are well meaning but also very much about being seen to doing something. Scientific data is being used and dismissed to fit the narrative, not as a driver of the narrative.

Hell, our government can't even provide a plan other than a loosey-goosey set of vaccination schedules. They won't commit to anything to allow people to plan their life with, even with a caveat of things are open to changing. I want to know when restrictions will be lifted. Is it when all front line workers and those over 80 (or 70) are vaccinated? When does Covid become a buyer beware world like the regular flu? What are they doing to accommodate travel in the future? Are they working with other countries to have a vaccine stamp for Covid to allow international, like there is for yellow fever and a few others? They seem much more interested in being seen to be doing something rather than the hard work of the plan to remove restrictions and get the hell out of our lives. What are their plans to provide mental health and addiction support, both things we know people are suffering from more under Covid than non-Covid times? They seem to be spending all their time and energy focusing that which they can't control rather than what they can.

McParadigm wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Peeps wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The lockdowns are just political hackery. It's not part of some grand scheme.

you mean like the grand scheme of trying to prevent the spread of the disease?

What jumps out at you as the most successful intervention by a governor so far?

1 in 500 South Dakotans has died of covid

Thats pretty close to New York's numbers.

simple schoolboy wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Peeps wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The lockdowns are just political hackery. It's not part of some grand scheme.

you mean like the grand scheme of trying to prevent the spread of the disease?

What jumps out at you as the most successful intervention by a governor so far?

1 in 500 South Dakotans has died of covid

Thats pretty close to New York's numbers.

Their rebuttal of course will be that pierced nipples Cuomo was in the unfortunate position of getting hit with the NOVEL virus first and there was just SO MUCH WE DIDNT KNOW.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:What is going to happen in 5 years when a virus comes out of China with a 50%% death rate and very high communicable rate? Will all of the anti-mask, anti-shutdown folks just not believe it and go out and die? I feel like even if some of these precautions for COVID were "overdone" that they have already done harm in my scenario above. Or, I guess I should say the people that think this is all a government conspiracy have harmed themselves if the above scenario ever happens.

Don’t worry, the newly ordained Vaccine Industrial Complex will handle it:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/covid-v ... train.html

“Fairfax County should open schools or stop vaccinating teachers”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -teachers/

At the Jan. 21 school board meeting, Fairfax Education Association President Kimberly Adams said she received her first vaccine dose on Jan. 14, two days ahead of the scheduled start for school personnel. She has said that her union would not support a return to full-time education even in the fall. The fall. As in September 2021. Nine months after she was vaccinated.

The union says that all students must also be vaccinated. Never mind that no current vaccine has been approved for use on children under the age of 14. Adams also wants 14 days of zero community spread. Neither of these goals is likely to occur this calendar year. The excuses pile up faster than the half-inch of snow that typically shuts down school operations.

We are going to look back at what we did to our kids and their education over this shit and be furious.

verb_to_trust wrote:We are going to look back at what we did to our kids and their education over this shit and be furious.

you're one of those people who freaked out when they grew up and realized their parents didn't have all the answers, aren't you?

spike wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:We are going to look back at what we did to our kids and their education over this shit and be furious.

you're one of those people who freaked out when they grew up and realized their parents didn't have all the answers, aren't you?

Do you think some people are struggling with their mental health due to Covid or the restrictions placed on them by governments? If so, what do you see the governments doing to address this?

I see them going out of their way to meaningfully address (dollars and resources) and giving platitudes that are the equivalent of pull yourself by your bootstraps.

That's not asking them to have all the answers but to acknowledge the outcomes of their decisions and address those outcomes.

surfndestroy wrote:

spike wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:We are going to look back at what we did to our kids and their education over this shit and be furious.

you're one of those people who freaked out when they grew up and realized their parents didn't have all the answers, aren't you?

Do you think some people are struggling with their mental health due to Covid or the restrictions placed on them by governments? If so, what do you see the governments doing to address this?

I see them going out of their way to meaningfully address (dollars and resources) and giving platitudes that are the equivalent of pull yourself by your bootstraps

oh they won't do anything, just getting at everyone's making this up as they go along. even our countries' leaders.

spike wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:We are going to look back at what we did to our kids and their education over this shit and be furious.

you're one of those people who freaked out when they grew up and realized their parents didn't have all the answers, aren't you?

So you think kids should be remote until god knows when? Anyone can see by now that schools should be in person.

I wish you guys could all see that verb is basically on your side when it comes to how we all get through this thing.

verb's on his side

spike wrote:verb's on his side

Is that why I'm so outraged we are basically lighting a match to an entire generations future by giving up on educating them?

Of course Spike doesn't get it because his kid would just go to private school or have a tutor.

verb_to_trust wrote:

spike wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:We are going to look back at what we did to our kids and their education over this shit and be furious.

you're one of those people who freaked out when they grew up and realized their parents didn't have all the answers, aren't you?

So you think kids should be remote until god knows when? Anyone can see by now that schools should be in person.

Some districts are arguing for hybrid indefinitely because the kids can't get vaccinated (vaccines not approved for those younger than 16).

verb_to_trust wrote:

spike wrote:verb's on his side

Is that why I'm so outraged we are basically lighting a match to an entire generations future by giving up on educating them?

calm down lol

spike wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

spike wrote:verb's on his side

Is that why I'm so outraged we are basically lighting a match to an entire generations future by giving up on educating them?

calm down lol

It’s somewhat serious: https://namica.org/blog/impact-on-the-m ... -covid-19/

It’s also a legit question as to why the public should vaccinate teachers ahead of others who are working full time from the office or the store or the restaurant if those same teachers are not going back to the classroom until impossible metrics are met.

Bi_3 wrote:

spike wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

spike wrote:verb's on his side

Is that why I'm so outraged we are basically lighting a match to an entire generations future by giving up on educating them?

calm down lol

It’s somewhat serious: https://namica.org/blog/impact-on-the-m ... -covid-19/

It’s also a legit question as to why the public should vaccinate teachers ahead of others who are working full time from the office or the store or the restaurant if those same teachers are not going back to the classroom until impossible metrics are met.

No sane person should be listening to these people. Your job is to teach. If you don't want to teach, quit

And then all the teachers quit and there is a shortage and kids get a shitty education. I thought we didn't want that?!

The demands of that teacher's union are unreasonable. If the teachers are vaccinated, they should teach. The risk to them is very low unless they have AIDS or asplenia.

My wife's a teacher. I have no problems sending her back to work with a vaccine.