Red Mosquito

guitar_davey wrote:

tree_ wrote:"It's strange these days" just feels like where a zoned out, wandering mind might go while waiting to order breakfast, not a yell-into-the-void, fist pump rock anthem lyric.

"Everybody else pays for someone else's mistake" is unnecessarily wordy, especially for a repeated chorus line, when Ed would particularly benefit from limiting his word count.

I thought this part was kinda brilliant. I guess my taste in rock anthems isn't as sophisticated as tree's.

tree is the height of sophistication, if you weren’t aware. He actually dresses in Victorian period clothing.

bodysnatcher wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

tree_ wrote:"It's strange these days" just feels like where a zoned out, wandering mind might go while waiting to order breakfast, not a yell-into-the-void, fist pump rock anthem lyric.

"Everybody else pays for someone else's mistake" is unnecessarily wordy, especially for a repeated chorus line, when Ed would particularly benefit from limiting his word count.

I thought this part was kinda brilliant. I guess my taste in rock anthems isn't as sophisticated as tree's.

tree is the height of sophistication, if you weren’t aware. He actually dresses in Victorian period clothing.

I'm not implying I'm sophisticated at all. But I'm also not writing lyrics for a legendary Rock and Roll HOF rock band. It's lazy. It's better than Can't Deny Me, but they can do better.

Tree's philosphical ouvre is the cornerstone of civilisation as we know it

bodysnatcher wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

tree_ wrote:"It's strange these days" just feels like where a zoned out, wandering mind might go while waiting to order breakfast, not a yell-into-the-void, fist pump rock anthem lyric.

"Everybody else pays for someone else's mistake" is unnecessarily wordy, especially for a repeated chorus line, when Ed would particularly benefit from limiting his word count.

I thought this part was kinda brilliant. I guess my taste in rock anthems isn't as sophisticated as tree's.

tree is the height of sophistication, if you weren’t aware. He actually dresses in Victorian period clothing.

More Barry Lyndon than Vivien Leigh, maybe?

tree_ wrote:But I'm also not writing lyrics for a legendary Rock and Roll HOF rock band. It's lazy.

Yeah, being in the RNR HOF should definitely raise the lyric quality. Take for example this brilliance by one of my favourite legendary bands, the Stooges:

No fun my babe
No fun
No fun my babe
No fun
No fun to hang around
Feelin' that same old way
No fun to hang around
Freaked out for another day

Iggy Pop? Iggy Poet more like, amirite

Ms Harmless wrote:Tree's philosphical ouvre is the cornerstone of civilisation as we know it

This explains a lot. Too much, really.

guitar_davey wrote:

tree_ wrote:But I'm also not writing lyrics for a legendary Rock and Roll HOF rock band. It's lazy.

Yeah, being in the RNR HOF should definitely raise the lyric quality. Take for example this brilliance by one of my favourite legendary bands, the Stooges:

No fun my babe
No fun
No fun my babe
No fun
No fun to hang around
Feelin' that same old way
No fun to hang around
Freaked out for another day

Point taken, and it's valid, but Ed is a different kind of artist. You know what he's trying to say, and he could say it better.

Ms Harmless wrote:Iggy Pop? Iggy Poet more like, amirite

More importantly...do you love Iggy Pop because he WAS Iggy Pop or because he IS Iggy Pop? Who's to say?

tree_ wrote:

guitar_davey wrote:

tree_ wrote:But I'm also not writing lyrics for a legendary Rock and Roll HOF rock band. It's lazy.

Yeah, being in the RNR HOF should definitely raise the lyric quality. Take for example this brilliance by one of my favourite legendary bands, the Stooges:

No fun my babe
No fun
No fun my babe
No fun
No fun to hang around
Feelin' that same old way
No fun to hang around
Freaked out for another day

Point taken, and it's valid, but Ed is a different kind of artist. You know what he's trying to say, and he could say it better.

I'll give you that "it's strange these days" is kinda meh, at least on paper, but I like the cadence of his delivery and the overall message feels relevant, at least to me.

The lyrics + delivery capture the sentiment quite well. It's not his cleanest lyrical aphorism. The second half of the couplet works better.

Oh good, now that production values have been covered ad nauseam, we’re moving onto lyrics.

When do we get to the actual strengths of Pearl Jam?

spike wrote:Oh good, now that production values have been covered ad nauseam, we’re moving onto lyrics.

When do we get to the actual strengths of Pearl Jam?

Who do you think can bench the most in the band?

bodysnatcher wrote:

spike wrote:Oh good, now that production values have been covered ad nauseam, we’re moving onto lyrics.

When do we get to the actual strengths of Pearl Jam?

Who do you think can bench the most in the band?

Jeff, possibly Matt

spike wrote:Oh good, now that production values have been covered ad nauseam, we’re moving onto lyrics.

When do we get to the actual strengths of Pearl Jam?

We hit hairlines next Tuesday...after another 63 pages.

It speaks to a general feeling that the world is entering a moment of profound and permanent change, and that many of the negatives inherent to that change could have been mitigated if some one or people had been held accountable before we got here.

That’s definitely a feeling that’s elevated right now. among a broad swath of people and ideologies.

It’s a good lyrics because it invites everyone to share in a feeling, without any prerequisites that you agree with the singer about the specifics of it.

oneway23 wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:Iggy Pop? Iggy Poet more like, amirite

More importantly...do you love Iggy Pop because he WAS Iggy Pop or because he IS Iggy Pop? Who's to say?

To address this recurring argument: I DO feel like the woman I am married to, I am married to because I currently love her, not the idea of her I fell in love with when I asked her to marry me. And if I fell out of love, I'd work to address the issues, and if that didn't work, I wouldn't be with her anymore. I'd like to believe if I had no memory of our history together, I'd still want to be married to her for her current qualities. I refuse to be merely bound out of obligation, so to speak, because that is not living truthfully in the moment. And I love music I love because of its audial qualities; It sounds good to me as I listen to it, not because I am rooting for its success, like I do with sports. I am not saying this is the only way to be, and I do seek to understand what I don't. There are many ways to enjoy a thing. It is unfortunate I am so often interpreted as condescending. That is not my intention. Just chattin' and participatin' in the only way I know how.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

15showsandcounting wrote:

oneway23 wrote:

tommy wrote:

15showsandcounting wrote:As for the DOTC talk. I thought DOTC sucked. Hard. This song is much, much better.

Different strokes...

Leave this place and never return.

I can't be mean enough to post a Gollum meme here, but, this 15shows is pushing me....hard

DOTC is awful. I cringed. No lie.

Surprised this is such a hot take. I also was not alone in this. Long-time PJ friends agreed.

Long-time PJ friends as in they don't like any albums post-No Code?

Very fair assessment. Personally though I loved Binaural. Post-Binaural it goes south pretty quickly. RA had glimpses of hope then…. nothing.

As for bathroom break songs, nothing tops You Are.

McParadigm wrote: It’s a good lyrics because it invites everyone to share in a feeling, without any prerequisites that you agree with the singer about the specifics of it.

I was thinking about this exact thing last night about the lyric. Something relatable to anyone no matter beliefs or ideologies. Now whether that promotes unity or further division is another discussion for another day.

But, Ed has always been good at writing a lyric that’s general enough that almost anyone can interpret their own way.

McParadigm wrote: I agree that the production feels competitively smooshed and a bit claustrophobic, and while I think that works for this song…I imagine the overall record will suffer from it the way Earthling did.

I missed the 50 pages of discussion that I assume were about the production but...I dunno I feel like its the biggest thing holding me back here. Like...there's something in the production that just sounds "Old rock band but we can still rawk, right?" that's very cliche for aging rock bands? I dunno. There's something missing, something too produced maybe? Or forced...hollow energy maybe? That prevents it from capturing the energy of their older sound.

Still, after Backspacer and LB it really seemed the band was very washed up. Gigaton was great, and this is at least kinda promising? But I think it likely will not be one of my favorites on the album (I hope). DOTC was just more interesting and fresh and different. This.....taken out of the context of it being new PJ if some new fan came in now and heard their whole discography I don't see this song holding up as one of their best most memorable or most iconic songs or anything. I think people just like it cause it sounds kinda like the PJ they like. But that 'kinda' is the key word here for me.

But maybe it will grow on me.