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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:24 pm
by LoathedVermin72
EJ wrote:stip wrote:Which I may saw once, and on an iPad, so hardly ideal. The dino fights were fine , but the story was utter nonsense and the characters were utterly uninteresting
Did he write the movie? I haven't seen it, probably won't. But, at this point, what could they really do with the Jurassic template other than making them wreak havoc like Godzilla?
Watch the movie. You'll get it.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:25 pm
by EJ
LoathedVermin72 wrote:EJ wrote:stip wrote:Which I may saw once, and on an iPad, so hardly ideal. The dino fights were fine , but the story was utter nonsense and the characters were utterly uninteresting
Did he write the movie? I haven't seen it, probably won't. But, at this point, what could they really do with the Jurassic template other than making them wreak havoc like Godzilla?
Watch the movie. You'll get it.
That's all the encouragement I needed.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:26 pm
by stip
What else has he done?
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:29 pm
by LoathedVermin72
stip wrote:What else has he done?
The only other movie he's made was
Safety Not Guaranteed.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:29 pm
by stip
Safety not guaranteed. Has anyone seen that?
If he doesn't write the movie I have more confidence. He may not, since the Jurassic world sequel comes out right before
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:30 pm
by LoathedVermin72
stip wrote:Safety not guaranteed. Has anyone seen that?
If he doesn't write the movie I have more confidence. He may not, since the Jurassic world sequel comes out right before
I see I was right about the lack of concern for aesthetics
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:32 pm
by stip
I didn't say I was thrilled, but my biggest issue with Jurassic world was the characters and plot, which, since he wrote the script, are directly tied to him.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:33 pm
by stip
I wish they got Steven Spielberg to direct the last one. He should make a star wars movie before he calls it quits
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:33 pm
by LoathedVermin72
stip wrote:I didn't say I was thrilled, but my biggest issue with Jurassic world was the characters and plot, which, since he wrote the script, are directly tied to him.
There are problems with every single facet of that movie. It's all his fault.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:35 pm
by stip
But if I had to rank the problems I am bothered more by some than others.
I only saw this once and under sub optimal viewing conditions with no desire to see it again. What are your other issues?
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:46 pm
by dimejinky99
stip wrote:I wish they got Steven Spielberg to direct the last one. He should make a star wars movie before he calls it quits
Me too..it'd add a WHOLE new argument..is Ep7 better than Ep9..Spielberg vs his understudy Abrams

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:49 pm
by LoathedVermin72
stip wrote:But if I had to rank the problems I am bothered more by some than others.
I only saw this once and under sub optimal viewing conditions with no desire to see it again. What are your other issues?
That it's a cynical, misogynistic piece of shit without an ounce of intelligence, sensuality, or craftsmanship.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:55 pm
by stip
i meant specifics and in terms of how it was shot. Those claims don't really mean anything without examples.
I'm not baiting you. I have no attachment to this movie. I'm genuinely interested
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 3:59 pm
by McParadigm
EJ wrote:stip wrote:Which I may saw once, and on an iPad, so hardly ideal. The dino fights were fine , but the story was utter nonsense and the characters were utterly uninteresting
Did he write the movie? I haven't seen it, probably won't. But, at this point, what could they really do with the Jurassic template other than making them wreak havoc like Godzilla?
Smart dinosaurs and a bad guy who thinks that trained dinosaurs will make nukes and drones obsolete. Then a Trex and a velociraptor basically high five.
Edit: I forgot, a mad scientist has a very, very long monologue that I'm still not sure what it's about.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 4:03 pm
by McParadigm
How much of that thinking is about us not allowing something in to be as good or better than something we've treasured since childhood?
This is why people can't see how great Man of Steel was no it isn't
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 4:12 pm
by stip
McParadigm wrote:EJ wrote:stip wrote:Which I may saw once, and on an iPad, so hardly ideal. The dino fights were fine , but the story was utter nonsense and the characters were utterly uninteresting
Did he write the movie? I haven't seen it, probably won't. But, at this point, what could they really do with the Jurassic template other than making them wreak havoc like Godzilla?
Smart dinosaurs and a bad guy who thinks that trained dinosaurs will make nukes and drones obsolete. Then a Trex and a velociraptor basically high five.
Edit: I forgot, a mad scientist has a very, very long monologue that I'm still not sure what it's about.
Under the right circumstances a t-Rex high fiving a velociraptor is very very cool
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 4:14 pm
by LoathedVermin72
stip wrote:i meant specifics and in terms of how it was shot. Those claims don't really mean anything without examples.
I'm not baiting you. I have no attachment to this movie. I'm genuinely interested
It's completely lacking in any visual or atmospheric panache. It's similar to how Matt Reeves shot
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: all medium, straight-on shots, oblivious to when the subtext, or hell, even just the emotional rhythm of a sequence calls for something more dramatic, like low shot or a panoramic vista (not that Trevorrow, with his drab, flat photography, would have the eye necessary to make a panoramic vista look good). None of the genuine wonder or carefully paced menace Spielberg poured into his JP movies is present; Trevorrow fills almost every frame with normalized dino imagery from the get-go (raptor heads casually behind Pratt as he talks, holographic dinosaurs in the visitor center) and robs the audience of the pleasurable anticipation this kind of monster movie often provides (that stupid mega-dino doesn't count).
It's also mean-spirited as fuck, and in a way that's completely illogical based on the characterizations it set up (
- Spoiler: show
- The British assistant gets torture-killed in a disgustingly sadistic, extended scene while D'Onofrio gets a quick, off-screen death? What?
). Not that the characterizations it set up mean anything or pay off in any way (the older brother's pointless, promptly abandoned obsession with girls).
And the misogyny? Don't get me started. Apparently, the woman who seems to almost single-handedly run the most popular attraction on the planet is apparently just a worthless, detached monster because she...doesn't know her nephews birthdays? That uptight bitch really needs to fulfill her biological obligations and start pumping out babies already.
Obviously, there are many more problems than just those, but you get the picture.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 4:17 pm
by McParadigm
under the right circumstances a t-Rex high fiving a velociraptor is very very cool
And those circumstances are 1. The Internet, and 2. An over the top action short about time travel and killing nazis, made mostly for the Internet.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 4:18 pm
by McParadigm
God, I forgot that one of the least deserving people in the whole film gets a bizarre, upsettingly extended torture death.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)
Posted: Thu December 24, 2015 4:20 pm
by LoathedVermin72
McParadigm wrote:God, I forgot that one of the least deserving people in the whole film gets a bizarre, upsettingly extended torture death.
That was probably the worst moment for me. I felt sick.