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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:20 pm
by Noangel
his grasp on geoplitics is so small i'm ok with Pence.
But Bolten as NSA is perhaps going to be Trump's biggest crime.,
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:22 pm
by McParadigm
Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:27 pm
by Noangel
McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
trump is not the boss, he's an elected official....I wonder when he realize that? and that he's not above the law?
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:46 pm
by tragabigzanda
Noangel wrote:McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
More likely it's just Bolton clearing house of anyone who might stand in the way of his war party.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:48 pm
by Noangel
tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
More likely it's just Bolton clearing house of anyone who might stand in the way of his war party.
that's scary. dysfunction was a good thing.....war hawks ignored, trump pretending at president. If Bolten has no leash it could get bad.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:50 pm
by tragabigzanda
Noangel wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
More likely it's just Bolton clearing house of anyone who might stand in the way of his war party.
that's scary. dysfunction was a good thing.....war hawks ignored, trump pretending at president. If Bolten has no leash it could get bad.
I have no doubt they'll be killing people in Syria inside of two weeks. The bigger question is whether or not the blowback + Mueller will be enough to avert all-out war.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:51 pm
by McParadigm
tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
More likely it's just
Bolton clearing house of anyone who might stand in the way of his war party.
Now confirmed.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:53 pm
by tragabigzanda
McParadigm wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
More likely it's just
Bolton clearing house of anyone who might stand in the way of his war party.
Now confirmed.
lol, I am not half the politico that McP is; this shit is just way too obvious.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 2:56 pm
by tragabigzanda
is Zuck's testimony today going to be broadcast or made public at a later date? Would love to tune in.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:03 pm
by Noangel
tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
More likely it's just Bolton clearing house of anyone who might stand in the way of his war party.
that's scary. dysfunction was a good thing.....war hawks ignored, trump pretending at president. If Bolten has no leash it could get bad.
I have no doubt they'll be killing people in Syria inside of two weeks. The bigger question is whether or not the blowback + Mueller will be enough to avert all-out war.
Drones are already bombing. In April of 2017 US led airstrikes killed more people in Syria than Assad, Russia, and the rebels, in a 30 day period. US has been involved the whole time. with a history of false flags....this chemical attack...which makes no sense militarily and gives the US incentive to step up the bombing....i'm not gonna dismiss US involvement, even in the chemical attack
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:04 pm
by tragabigzanda
As the rest of this week's news cycle focuses on Mueller/Cohen, watch for Bolton to be quietly preparing for his war party in the background.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:14 pm
by dimejinky99
there are Chinese warships in the Mediterranean ..
so of course Trump is gonna go for war to derail mueller
it'll be fine..
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:17 pm
by Noangel
tragabigzanda wrote:As the rest of this week's news cycle focuses on Mueller/Cohen, watch for Bolton to be quietly preparing for his war party in the background.
The Target is Iran. I hope the lessons learned from Iraq are at least presented in some kind of meaningful way. They are pushing in on Gaza and Palestine.....That needs be made public as well. Hamas is training thousands of troops in Syria...Trumps nepotism and his desire to pawn off the middle east to his son, they will be in for more than he knows when the Palestinians step up to defend Gaza. I read violence has already started, Israeli killing 13.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:18 pm
by Strat
What a time to be alive
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:22 pm
by Noangel
for now...
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:45 pm
by Hatfield
Noangel wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Noangel wrote:McParadigm wrote:Not sure the degree to which changeover even feels like a story anymore, but Bossert is confirmed out.
wow. DHS...another department not following orders?
More likely it's just Bolton clearing house of anyone who might stand in the way of his war party.
that's scary. dysfunction was a good thing.....war hawks ignored, trump pretending at president. If Bolten has no leash it could get bad.
I have no doubt they'll be killing people in Syria inside of two weeks. The bigger question is whether or not the blowback + Mueller will be enough to avert all-out war.
Drones are already bombing. In April of 2017 US led airstrikes killed more people in Syria than Assad, Russia, and the rebels, in a 30 day period. US has been involved the whole time. with a history of false flags....this chemical attack...
which makes no sense militarily and gives the US incentive to step up the bombing....i'm not gonna dismiss US involvement, even in the chemical attack
If Assad is trying to crush the rebels and bring this civil war to a close, it seems all of these atrocities make sense from his perspective.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:53 pm
by Hatfield
tragabigzanda wrote:Bi_3 wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Bi_3 wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Bi_3 wrote:jwfocker wrote:
That's the only difference? WTF? What myopic fantasy land do you live in and how does one visit?
It's a function of privilege. My area is mostly upper-middle class white (~50%) and Asian (~35%) and has an average household income close to $200k, so even though I'm not rich like them, the halo effect insulates my family since those aren't the groups being negatively effected by Trump's behavior. There is obviously frustration over his not-so-hidden bigotry and expressions of embarrassment that he is our representative on the world stage, but the day to day is no different than it was under Obama or W.
What, specifically, has he done that has negatively effected you?
Come on, it's plain to see that a lot of his actions -- regulatory rollbacks, deportations, attacking the press, his trade war, his embrace of racists and jingoists -- are immediately anger-inducing and depressing because we
know suspect that the
eventual outcomes of these actions are going to be very shitty if nothing is done to reverse it.
FTFY.
Eventually is the key word. And I think it depends on what you worry about. I am far more concerned about the unchecked rise of AI in the labor market and my kids competing against the genetically engineered offspring of the ultra-rich than I am about DAPL or the enforcement of immigration laws. That's clearly privilege, but it's also reality.
Agreed, this is the reality of your privilege and understandably effects your outlook on POTUS. But it's also a toxic sort of willful ignorance to say "These things that negatively impact billions of people won't impact me too directly, so I'm not too worried about it." That's the philosophy that saw one of my family members vote for Trump ("my personal tax rate > all other issues").
It's a powerful example of empathy to be able to spend time any significant amount of time caring about things that don't effect you.
FTFY
Bi_3, I'm a couple days late to this discussion, but your thoughts in this section really baffled me. Trag, I appreciate you putting a little fixin' on his post. The privilege isn't being able to spend time on others, it is being able to ignore things that deeply effect others.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 3:54 pm
by tragabigzanda
When Bi_3's COOOOOOLD, I wanna put a little fire on 'im.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 4:08 pm
by Noangel
If Assad is trying to crush the rebels and bring this civil war to a close, it seems all of these atrocities make sense from his perspective.
not really. The rebels are done....Russia and Assad have made sure of that. The only possible outcome Assad sows from dropping chemical bombs on his own people is to stir up the opposition....its propaganda gold, and a very real incentive for the American public to get behind an increase in US actions in Syria.
Militarily it makes no sense....in fact, the only faction that really benefits from it is the US.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 10, 2018 4:12 pm
by tragabigzanda
Important piece from December that is worth a read today:
Why it’s Far Worse for Trump to Fire Rosenstein than to Fire Mueller
https://www.justsecurity.org/49847/its- ... e-mueller/