Red Mosquito

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:Are you fucking kidding me?

It was a joke you fuck.

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

harmless wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:Are you fucking kidding me?

It was a joke you fuck.

Sorry, I just don't find the word 'faggotry' very funny in any context.

stip wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:I think the fans are having an identity crisis more than the band.

I began my identity crisis with PJ at Yield, so I'm very used to it now.

it's this incredibly complex mixture of a band moving into new (and often older) themes, declining productivity, a somewhat different sound and perhaps even a different approach to song writing and having this collide with some people not liking the music as much but not wanting to let go of the band and so you get this combo of battered girlfriend standing by her man/need to denigrate the band to diminish internal expectations (pearl jam are generic/they suck live)/finding someone to blame (ed, BoB, Mike, matt, oddly enough not stone or jeff) with the implication that if they just got out of the way everything goes back to normal/people feeling the need to talk extensively about a band they just don't care that much about anymore because they like posting on RM/trolling because it's the internet and it's not okay to enjoy things.

Great post. And i love when people here complain about the live sound and then go to the shows and its like .." yeah, i have fun it was just ok" ...and a few years passes and the same guy makes a post about how good was that show, now this band its dead.

I think a lot of people have forgotten a lot of their initial impressions if they're more than, say, a decade old. I personally remember what I thought of each and every PJ album, initially and much later. And I also remember how I felt after hearing certain songs. It was always a patchy experience and I very often had to grow into a PJ song that I sometimes hated at first. Now's no different. The only difference is that I now have more songs to compare them to, so the bar is raised. The songs have to do more to please me. I read on the Pit, someone arguing that the 'Lightning Bolt!' chorus isn't half as embarrassing if you remember that they always wrote one/two word choruses, and they always wrote songs with mediocre choruses, or even no chorus. But suddenly this one's judged as awful because fans expect more of them now.

Couldn't it just be as simple as screeching the words "Lightning Bolt" not working that well for a chorus though?

no

I think there were always a sense of the fans not being happy with the direction the band was taking...This is because PJ has been always a very challenging band...What still surprised me is how people are complaining or saying this like " because of the reviews i know this record is going to suck"...the same with the live shows...people complaining about their setlist when they haven´t gone to the shows or haven´t even heard the boot.

to be clear, I am in no way saying people have to like the music they are making now, be challenged by it, or anything like that. Not liking it is totally legit. But not liking it hardly explains why we get the posting that we do

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:Are you fucking kidding me?

It was a joke you fuck.

Sorry, I just don't find the word 'faggotry' very funny in any context.

That's why I post here, to amuse you.

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

you've heard the chorus to alive right? i mean, it doesnt look great on paper, but that song is absolutely made by its chorus. i mean, i my favorite part is the bridge, but to pretend the chorus doesnt make the song is weird.

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

harmless wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:Are you fucking kidding me?

It was a joke you fuck.

Sorry, I just don't find the word 'faggotry' very funny in any context.

That's why I post here, to amuse you.

Do you post here to make people think you might be homophobic?

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

You like the other parts of the songs because the songs are 20 years old. In 1992, people dug the chorus of both of those songs.

harmless wrote:

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

you've heard the chorus to alive right? i mean, it doesnt look great on paper, but that song is absolutely made by its chorus. i mean, i my favorite part is the bridge, but to pretend the chorus doesnt make the song is weird.

Maybe I'm weird. Obviously it sounds good, or it wouldn't have made me a fan. But this is 22 years later. If this was 1991, it might've been Lightning Bolt that made me a fan. It doesn't now because I have so many other similar PJ choruses to compare it to.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:

harmless wrote:Are you fucking kidding me?

It was a joke you fuck.

Sorry, I just don't find the word 'faggotry' very funny in any context.

That's why I post here, to amuse you.

Do you post here to make people think you might be homophobic?

Homosayswhat?

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

you've heard the chorus to alive right? i mean, it doesnt look great on paper, but that song is absolutely made by its chorus. i mean, i my favorite part is the bridge, but to pretend the chorus doesnt make the song is weird.

Maybe I'm weird. Obviously it sounds good, or it wouldn't have made me a fan. But this is 22 years later. If this was 1991, it might've been Lightning Bolt that made me a fan. It doesn't now because I have so many other similar PJ choruses to compare it to.

Alive isn't one of the few PJ songs still on rock radio stations because it is so similar to the dozens of other songs in its catalog, and certainly not because its on par with Lightning Bolt, which nobody outside of the fan base is going to care about.

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

you've heard the chorus to alive right? i mean, it doesnt look great on paper, but that song is absolutely made by its chorus. i mean, i my favorite part is the bridge, but to pretend the chorus doesnt make the song is weird.

Maybe I'm weird. Obviously it sounds good, or it wouldn't have made me a fan. But this is 22 years later. If this was 1991, it might've been Lightning Bolt that made me a fan. It doesn't now because I have so many other similar PJ choruses to compare it to.

Alive isn't one of the few PJ songs still on rock radio stations because it is so similar to the dozens of other songs in its catalog, and certainly not because its on par with Lightning Bolt, which nobody outside of the fan base is going to care about.

Argh. No one gives a fuck about anything post-Vitalogy outside the fanbase.

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

harmless wrote:

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

harmless wrote:I can't remember a PJ song which was absolutely made by its chorus.

are you kidding
Alive, Jeremy are The choruses that made the songs

'Oh I, oh I'm still alive'

'Jeremy spoke in class today.'

Neither of these are remarkable, and I don't think they're the most interesting parts of those songs.

you've heard the chorus to alive right? i mean, it doesnt look great on paper, but that song is absolutely made by its chorus. i mean, i my favorite part is the bridge, but to pretend the chorus doesnt make the song is weird.

Maybe I'm weird. Obviously it sounds good, or it wouldn't have made me a fan. But this is 22 years later. If this was 1991, it might've been Lightning Bolt that made me a fan. It doesn't now because I have so many other similar PJ choruses to compare it to.

Alive isn't one of the few PJ songs still on rock radio stations because it is so similar to the dozens of other songs in its catalog, and certainly not because its on par with Lightning Bolt, which nobody outside of the fan base is going to care about.

Argh. No one gives a fuck about anything post-Vitalogy outside the fanbase.

Thats because they haven't put out a song like alive, betterman, ect. since vitalogy.

Mike wrote:People totally give a fuck about Just Breathe!

Mike wrote:People totally give a fuck about Just Breathe!

harmless wrote:

Mike wrote:People totally give a fuck about Just Breathe!

Obviously, because it's like so awesome!