McParadigm wrote:The Attorney General has been fired.
Quite rightly.
I hadn't paid much attention to this until reading this Washington Post summary earlier.
Her stance made her position completely untenable.
It was unquestionably a noise generation tactic, and she must have known how it would end.
But what a remarkable event. The attorney general of the United States has been fired for opposing the president's executive order.
Yeah, BiH's article suggests that she should have resigned instead.
I'm sure she wanted to provoke the firing, feeling that it was a more powerful statement.
I don't know that it is, but the whole thing is pretty wild. It's another benchmark for how far outside normal politics our footprints are right now.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 2:45 am
by Bi_3
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 2:50 am
by McParadigm
Strat wrote:"for refusing a legal order"
My god that is frightening though.
People keep referencing Nixon, but even that wasn't about policy. And it was part of the story that destroyed him. And it wasn't day ten.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 2:54 am
by McParadigm
Ten days in, and he's in danger of having his own chapter in tomorrow's history books. And not one of the ones they ask kids to do dioramas for.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 2:57 am
by Orpheus
Personally, my problem with the majority of Spenno's posts (and by extension, the actions of white moderates in many places) is that 1) they seem to suggest that Trump is always acting in good faith, and the people opposing him are acting in bad faith and 2) many of the ideas in them are antithetical to not only my work as an educator, but to a democratic society as a whole. When I see someone espousing the ideas that:
--protest is unproductive and almost purely the product of hysteria
--young children shouldn't be aware of their political reality or engage in protest
--language doesn't matter and is superfluous to the creation and execution of laws
--elected leaders shouldn't be poised, or controlled, or professional
--it's acceptable to give one religion preferential treatment in matters of immigration
--Steve Bannon's idea of a "Judeo-Christian Economy" is acceptable
...when I see those types of things being encouraged, I have to be concerned about them. It is fine to have opposing viewpoints, but other people get to criticize them as well. For example, I'm a little curious why the actions of protesters represent hysteria and Trump/Bannon's viewpoint that America is some sort of rusted out post-capitalist hellhole does not. Their rhetoric before and after the election repeatedly presented America as a country on the brink of disaster. How is that not hysteria? Why is the benefit of the doubt being given to the Breitbart news guy in all matters and never to average, normal Americans? It just doesn't sit well with me.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 2:59 am
by Birds in Hell
McParadigm wrote:Ten days in, and he's in danger of having his own chapter in tomorrow's history books. And not one of the ones they ask kids to do dioramas for.
I definitely feel as though we're living in what will be historically interesting times in a way I haven't before.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:08 am
by McParadigm
Birds in Hell wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Ten days in, and he's in danger of having his own chapter in tomorrow's history books. And not one of the ones they ask kids to do dioramas for.
I definitely feel as though we're living in what will be historically interesting times in a way I haven't before.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:15 am
by Citizen Dick
Birds in Hell wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Ten days in, and he's in danger of having his own chapter in tomorrow's history books. And not one of the ones they ask kids to do dioramas for.
I definitely feel as though we're living in what will be historically interesting times in a way I haven't before.
Mr Vedder 10 years too early (specifically at the 5.45 mark*:
i think it's becoming more clear that an international war is unlikely
but an intranational war seems increasingly likely
at least some pathetic low intensity sporadic version
i can't recall a time where the "left" was so vocal and aggressive in this country. i recall a lot of bitching during GWB but i don't recall it being as openly charged as this. more like openly cynical, perhaps
it seems inevitable that at some point, some folks that cling to their 'guns and religion' will probably dust up with the arugula eaters
and that's not going to be a happy day
and if the prez on top doesn't set a president that the violence is wrong, then we might just back door ourselves into Madmax for a few weeks or a year or something
and at that point,
the ice caps will probably just let it all go and melt away
plunging earth's surface into an ice-cold deluge of glacial water
purifying the land of its parasitic inhabitants
leaving the few survivors to search for new dry land
in a world of sea monsters, where fresh water is scarce
and mutants sail the seven seas
in a world without paper
in a world
made
of
water
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:19 am
by tragabigzanda
S/T is one-half of a great album.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:19 am
by Strat
The White House has named Dana Boente, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, as acting attorney general. Boente told The Washington Post that he will agree to enforce the immigration order.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:20 am
by Citizen Dick
Make S/T great again!!
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:22 am
by McParadigm
Set course for tomorrow, warp factor 'hesitant.'
Engage.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:25 am
by Citizen Dick
McParadigm wrote:Set course for tomorrow, warp factor 'hesitant.'
Engage.
I like that the right side actually seems to hit a black wall a split second before the left has the explosion.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:39 am
by Simple Torture
Citizen Dick wrote:Make S/T great again!!
S/T was never great.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:42 am
by Citizen Dick
Simple Torture wrote:
Citizen Dick wrote:Make S/T great again!!
S/T was never great.
Sounds like the metaphor works.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 3:52 am
by McParadigm
Edit: White House has now confirmed this was for siding with the attorney general
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 4:10 am
by wease
Strat wrote:The White House has named Dana Boente, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, as acting attorney general. Boente told The Washington Post that he will agree to enforce the immigration order.
Very shocked that Trump picked a man named Dana.
Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue January 31, 2017 4:12 am
by Kaius
Orpheus wrote:Personally, my problem with the majority of Spenno's posts (and by extension, the actions of white moderates in many places) is that 1) they seem to suggest that Trump is always acting in good faith, and the people opposing him are acting in bad faith and 2) many of the ideas in them are antithetical to not only my work as an educator, but to a democratic society as a whole. When I see someone espousing the ideas that:
--protest is unproductive and almost purely the product of hysteria
--young children shouldn't be aware of their political reality or engage in protest
--language doesn't matter and is superfluous to the creation and execution of laws
--elected leaders shouldn't be poised, or controlled, or professional
--it's acceptable to give one religion preferential treatment in matters of immigration
--Steve Bannon's idea of a "Judeo-Christian Economy" is acceptable
...when I see those types of things being encouraged, I have to be concerned about them. It is fine to have opposing viewpoints, but other people get to criticize them as well. For example, I'm a little curious why the actions of protesters represent hysteria and Trump/Bannon's viewpoint that America is some sort of rusted out post-capitalist hellhole does not. Their rhetoric before and after the election repeatedly presented America as a country on the brink of disaster. How is that not hysteria? Why is the benefit of the doubt being given to the Breitbart news guy in all matters and never to average, normal Americans? It just doesn't sit well with me.