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Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Sun July 05, 2020 7:42 pm
by BurtReynolds
Mickey wrote:The cherry-picked stats about the... total number of protestors?
Yeah that's a good example.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Sun July 05, 2020 7:42 pm
by verb_to_trust
You guys can keep bitching and moaning by the way. All the mods had to do was delete me and they wouldn't do it.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Sun July 05, 2020 7:45 pm
by Mickey
BurtReynolds wrote:
Mickey wrote:The cherry-picked stats about the... total number of protestors?
Yeah that's a good example.
You do realize that a cherry-picked stat is one taken out of its context, right? Which context do you think is missing when someone notes that 15-26 million people have attended BLM protests this year?

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Sun July 05, 2020 8:12 pm
by elliseamos
verb_to_trust wrote:Being in the vicinity of other people at a protest is exactly comparable to a police officer being dispatched to deal directly with a volatile situation!!!
And when it's not already a violent situation? Just start grappling, clubbing, spraying, tazing, and shooting!

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Sun July 05, 2020 10:29 pm
by verb_to_trust
elliseamos wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Being in the vicinity of other people at a protest is exactly comparable to a police officer being dispatched to deal directly with a volatile situation!!!
And when it's not already a violent situation? Just start grappling, clubbing, spraying, tazing, and shooting!
So we're just going to assume every single time the police get called they beat people up? I get that you're all bougie white accountants who have been WFH for months now but gtfoh with that garbage.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Sun July 05, 2020 11:22 pm
by elliseamos
verb_to_trust wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Being in the vicinity of other people at a protest is exactly comparable to a police officer being dispatched to deal directly with a volatile situation!!!
And when it's not already a violent situation? Just start grappling, clubbing, spraying, tazing, and shooting!
So we're just going to assume every single time the police get called they beat people up? I get that you're all bougie white accountants who have been WFH for months now but gtfoh with that garbage.
I was mostly kidding, but it seemed like an equally absurd leap to say they were always responding to violent situations.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 1:27 am
by 96583UP
at what point do protests become considered conformo and get exploited for cash?
Spoiler: show
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Allwitty-108 ... gLyD_D_BwE

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 12:50 pm
by Bi_3
Mickey wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:https://www.cbs46.com/news/shooting-lea ... 8.amp.html
a car exited the interstate and was subsequently stopped by armed protesters near the intersection of University Ave. and Pryor Rd. Authorities told CBS46 that's when gunfire was exchanged and the child was shot.
A car attacked by protesters? Surely that doesn’t happen
The fun thing about digital news--the article has already been updated and no longer says protestors. ;)

Yeah, that's what happens when you work in a newsroom right now and you associate anything bad with the protests, but:

https://apnews.com/9148d740c10fcd784867eda74055aaa5

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 2:36 pm
by Mickey
Interesting you responded to that post and not this one!
Mickey wrote:So leaving aside the fact that the young girl's shooting is no longer being associated with the protests (I checked multiple local news websites and not a single one describes the armed men as "protestors,--of course this could change as more evidence comes out but for now it seems best to move on from this specific example), you might be interested to know that a recent study about the protests estimated that there have been at least 4700 different events in which, collectively, 15 to 26 million people participated.

The link is here.

Just for those of us keeping score at home, that would mean you'd need 50 discrete instances of violence on innocent bystanders to even get a 1% figure, if we're judging each event as its own instance. But given how large and heterogeneous these protests are, it would probably make more sense, or it would be more persuasive, to argue based on total number of violent actors/radicals relative to overall group size in order to show that there really is a threat, either to bystanders or certain cherished ideals. So your magic number there would be anywhere from 150000 to 260000.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 3:04 pm
by Bi_3
I was providing that additional support to the original story's implication that the shooters (they have determined it was two distinct shooters) were associated with the protests because protestors had setup the barricades that created the situation and had been congregated there for some time.

To your other point, you are making a distinction between protestor and rioter/looter, correct?

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 3:11 pm
by Mickey
I don't see how you could make that distinction without begging the question, so no.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 3:18 pm
by verb_to_trust
We wouldn't want to get cancelled. Be careful here guys.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 10:30 pm
by BurtReynolds
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regiona ... ssion=true

"...to protect state buildings"

Thanks for nothing.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 10:58 pm
by Bi_3
BurtReynolds wrote:https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/kemp-deploy-000-national-guard-troops-after-violent-weekend/nuGXOOMNsj0zkkoO9GLNPL/amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

"...to protect state buildings"

Thanks for nothing.
Purely an unrelated coincidence, not even sure why they would mention it:

“ But she issued her own plea to residents to end the violence. At least 93 people were shot in Atlanta between May 31 – roughly when the George Floyd protests began – and June 27. That’s roughly double the number from the same span a year ago.”

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Mon July 06, 2020 11:48 pm
by simple schoolboy

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Tue July 07, 2020 1:42 am
by 96583UP
'seeking white man and woman'

this is going to lead to profiling

he 'fit a description'

the vicious cycle continues

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Tue July 07, 2020 3:20 am
by Mickey
Bloomington going from bad to worse.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Tue July 07, 2020 7:28 pm
by verb_to_trust
More galaxy brains trying to block traffic in Bloomington. Results were predictable.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Tue July 07, 2020 7:28 pm
by verb_to_trust
More galaxy brains trying to block traffic in Bloomington. Results were predictable.

Re: The Protest Thread

Posted: Tue July 07, 2020 8:14 pm
by Mickey
Do these posts make you feel better about yourself Bryan? It's definitely still a developing story, but according to the police these are the details right now:
They say a passenger in the red Toyota got out and threw someone's scooter that had been left in the roadway. According to Bloomington police, a 29-year-old woman tried to intervene, walking in front of the car and putting her hands on the hood. The driver of the car then accelerated, with the woman ending up on the hood of the car. A 35-year-old man grabbed onto the side of the car as it pulled away.