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Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 2:23 pm
by Bi_3
Rob wrote:
I don't really understand what's going on here. Seems the guy was just trying to make a point that racism is overblown, and failed because he doesn't know how soap dispensers work? Why is this being written by "Mica Soellner, Breaking News Reporter?"

I think the guy was trying to make a point that we are losing our ability to distinguish between what is actual racism (bigotry + power) and what is just something frustrating that happened to a person of color. But it reads like the person who said that about soap dispensers was just fucking with them to get this exact reaction from the illustrious Examiner.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 3:33 pm
by Bi_3
This is an interesting perspective:




"Things on the outside, like our skin color... make us who we are"


It's the complete opposite of what I believe most of us were taught as children. Probably a big source of generational differences in opinions on things like systemic racism as well.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 4:57 pm
by verb_to_trust
I could not possibly care less about skin color. It's really amazing how obsessed society has become with something so trivial.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 7:40 pm
by McParadigm
Rob wrote:
I don't really understand what's going on here. Seems the guy was just trying to make a point that racism is overblown, and failed because he doesn't know how soap dispensers work? Why is this being written by "Mica Soellner, Breaking News Reporter?"
"Holy fucking shit look at this thing that one college student said" is actually a pretty good encapsulation of conservative media's clickbait content, and how it is received.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 8:05 pm
by Rob
I've been tuning in to AM radio every day at noon the last couple of months (just the first 20-30 min) because, for reasons I don't understand, I need to see how long The Rush Limbaugh show still features Rush Limbaugh, even though he's been dead a while. Today's first segment featured a rather spirited 10 min Rush rant - from like 11-12 years ago... explaining to people how terrible Obama is and how people should be really scared. The temps don't seem to do much but preach Rush's holy doctrine. This was (maybe still is?) the largest media audience in the country.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 8:23 pm
by BurtReynolds
Rob wrote:I've been tuning in to AM radio every day at noon the last couple of months (just the first 20-30 min) because, for reasons I don't understand, I need to see how long The Rush Limbaugh show still features Rush Limbaugh, even though he's been dead a while. Today's first segment featured a rather spirited 10 min Rush rant - from like 11-12 years ago... explaining to people how terrible Obama is and how people should be really scared. The temps don't seem to do much but preach Rush's holy doctrine. This was (maybe still is?) the largest media audience in the country.
I did that once. Bouncing between conservative radio doing stale Rush takes and NPR saying everything is institutional racism is a great way to understand how braindead the vast majority of talk/news radio listeners are, across the "vast" political spectrum from woke left to neocon right.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 8:33 pm
by Rob
BurtReynolds wrote:
Rob wrote:I've been tuning in to AM radio every day at noon the last couple of months (just the first 20-30 min) because, for reasons I don't understand, I need to see how long The Rush Limbaugh show still features Rush Limbaugh, even though he's been dead a while. Today's first segment featured a rather spirited 10 min Rush rant - from like 11-12 years ago... explaining to people how terrible Obama is and how people should be really scared. The temps don't seem to do much but preach Rush's holy doctrine. This was (maybe still is?) the largest media audience in the country.
I did that once. Bouncing between conservative radio doing stale Rush takes and NPR saying everything is institutional racism is a great way to understand how braindead the vast majority of talk/news radio listeners are, across the "vast" political spectrum from woke left to neocon right.

That's what you got out of it? That the Rush/Hannity type shows are the same as NPR? I always thought of NPR as entry-level woke, like a "start here if interested" kind of vibe, and it's not really about sides. Rush is the "just inject your best straight into my veins, I don't need nuthin else" type of vibe.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 8:35 pm
by BurtReynolds
Rob wrote: it's not really about sides.

your whole existence is about sides.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 8:36 pm
by BurtReynolds
Rush/Hannity type shows are the same as NPR
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Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 8:38 pm
by Rob
BurtReynolds wrote:
Rob wrote: it's not really about sides.

your whole existence is about sides.
Que? I was talking about their angle. And now I'm wondering if you understand your own schtick here.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 10:05 pm
by BurtReynolds
Bi_3 wrote:
Rob wrote:
I don't really understand what's going on here. Seems the guy was just trying to make a point that racism is overblown, and failed because he doesn't know how soap dispensers work? Why is this being written by "Mica Soellner, Breaking News Reporter?"

I think the guy was trying to make a point that we are losing our ability to distinguish between what is actual racism (bigotry + power) and what is just something frustrating that happened to a person of color. But it reads like the person who said that about soap dispensers was just fucking with them to get this exact reaction from the illustrious Examiner.
Please tell me you aren't conceding that racism means prejudice plus power.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 10:13 pm
by spike
verb_to_trust wrote:I could not possibly care less about skin color. It's really amazing how obsessed society has become with something so trivial.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 10:43 pm
by Bi_3
Can we circle back to the sesame street thing... Is that what is taught now? Outside > Inside?

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 10:45 pm
by verb_to_trust
It's stupid

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 10:53 pm
by elliseamos
I don't think white people get to decide if being black is trivial.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 10:59 pm
by verb_to_trust
I wonder if I will live long enough to be the one who is the minority?

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 11:00 pm
by elliseamos
verb_to_trust wrote:I wonder if I will live long enough to be the one who is the minority?
census results are out soon.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 11:16 pm
by Bammer
Bi_3 wrote:This is an interesting perspective:




"Things on the outside, like our skin color... make us who we are"


It's the complete opposite of what I believe most of us were taught as children. Probably a big source of generational differences in opinions on things like systemic racism as well.
The full video clip doesn’t really tell the story that your partial quote is trying to tell.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 11:21 pm
by JuanHamm
Bammer wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:This is an interesting perspective:




"Things on the outside, like our skin color... make us who we are"


It's the complete opposite of what I believe most of us were taught as children. Probably a big source of generational differences in opinions on things like systemic racism as well.
The full video clip doesn’t really tell the story that your partial quote is trying to tell.
Yes, I was very excited to get annoyed by this video, but in the end it was pretty much the same thing I was taught as a child.

Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Posted: Mon April 26, 2021 11:41 pm
by Bi_3
Bammer wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:This is an interesting perspective:




"Things on the outside, like our skin color... make us who we are"


It's the complete opposite of what I believe most of us were taught as children. Probably a big source of generational differences in opinions on things like systemic racism as well.
The full video clip doesn’t really tell the story that your partial quote is trying to tell.
It softens the blow, but that piece stands out to me. I can't recall anything like that even from my left-leaning Unitarian Universalist teenage days. It was always the "content of character" line and trying to define a person that way was one of the few sins they had.*


*One time I got a bit bootstrappy on them about addicts being responsible for their choices and they almost kicked me out of the drum circle. So, two sins then?