Red Mosquito

In an era when you have nearly half the league on revenue sharing welfare that aren’t even attempting to win games and are profitable from TV money alone before the season even starts.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

numbers wrote:

Bammer wrote:

numbers wrote:I am growing more angry about this situation every day.

I am not. The money is insane. Hopefully this means it is coming back down to earth.

The money is not coming back down to earth, more of it is being shifted from the players the owners.

numbers gets it

With pitchers & catchers starting to report have their been *any* major hot stove news? To echo what others are saying MLB is losing the off season.

Biff Pocoroba wrote:With pitchers & catchers starting to report have their been *any* major hot stove news? To echo what others are saying MLB is losing the off season.

They aren’t buying stadiums, they aren’t paying players.... ticket prices should come way down to reflect expenses right?

so there is a really good article in deadspin (i know, i typically hate it too) about how teams are treating the luxury tax as a hard cap, and how that is driving a lot of what we're seeing today. teams say that it's not a function of teams not being able to afford free agents, but rather teams being penalized for spending too much (which is an argument that they've been wanting to make since 1985 when they tried for the first time to get a hard cap).

https://deadspin.com/mlbs-luxury-tax-be ... 1832200596

The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

verb_to_trust wrote:The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

Then shorten the time a player is under team control before he hits free agency. They have a system designed to release most players into free agency after they have peaked, especially pitchers. They want to have their cake and eat it too, keep them from free agency in the peak earning years and then hold it against them when they reach it.

They don’t want to pay for past performance while getting a discount on present performance.

PHATJ wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

Call them the Expos and lets play.

Yeah and put them in Boston (bad rumor from awhile ago) as an NL team.

numbers wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

Then shorten the time a player is under team control before he hits free agency. They have a system designed to release most players into free agency after they have peaked, especially pitchers. They want to have their cake and eat it too, keep them from free agency in the peak earning years and then hold it against them when they reach it.

I saw someone on Twitter suggest restricted free agency, which also could be a good idea that the owners might be able to get behind. Maybe push arbitration back one year for everyone, and when players hit 4 years of service time, they can sign 2-year qualifying offer sheets.

I'd also like to see something like 1/2-service-time for all players on the 40-man roster playing in the minors to negate what's being called "service time manipulation."

numbers wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

Then shorten the time a player is under team control before he hits free agency. They have a system designed to release most players into free agency after they have peaked, especially pitchers. They want to have their cake and eat it too, keep them from free agency in the peak earning years and then hold it against them when they reach it.

numbers gets it

numbers wrote:They don’t want to pay for past performance while getting a discount on present performance.

numbers gets it

numbers wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

Then shorten the time a player is under team control before he hits free agency. They have a system designed to release most players into free agency after they have peaked, especially pitchers. They want to have their cake and eat it too, keep them from free agency in the peak earning years and then hold it against them when they reach it.

I would guess that will come up during the next strike.

You nailed it.

numbers wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

Then shorten the time a player is under team control before he hits free agency. They have a system designed to release most players into free agency after they have peaked, especially pitchers. They want to have their cake and eat it too, keep them from free agency in the peak earning years and then hold it against them when they reach it.

That kind of punishes a team for drafting good young players, but agree it would work.

Coach wrote:

numbers wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

Then shorten the time a player is under team control before he hits free agency. They have a system designed to release most players into free agency after they have peaked, especially pitchers. They want to have their cake and eat it too, keep them from free agency in the peak earning years and then hold it against them when they reach it.

That kind of punishes a team for drafting good young players, but agree it would work.

It would be better than the current system in which they punish the good young players.

Regardless, the far more important issue is minor league salaries.

philpritchard wrote:

Coach wrote:

numbers wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:The problem with signing the big name free agents in baseball is the teams almost always regret it in the end when the player is aging, and even at peak production it's not as if someone like Bryce Harper can single handedly win you games like an NBA star or elite NFL QB can. Baseball is different. And boring.

Then shorten the time a player is under team control before he hits free agency. They have a system designed to release most players into free agency after they have peaked, especially pitchers. They want to have their cake and eat it too, keep them from free agency in the peak earning years and then hold it against them when they reach it.

That kind of punishes a team for drafting good young players, but agree it would work.

It would be better than the current system in which they punish the good young players.

Regardless, the far more important issue is minor league salaries.

what, you don't think players should earn less playing professional baseball than working a drive thru at a Taco Bell?

I think MLB sees the MLBPA right now with weak leadership and they are gearing up for a work stoppage where they try to break the union like football.

Good choice: whether is nice, beer is good.

I’m so glad Machado chose the Padres because now I’ll never have to see him play again.