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Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 12:55 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 12:58 pm
by elliseamos
I don't know that it's a good thing, but with respect to the Ukraine War I'm of the mind this helps Ukraine. Because...

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 1:09 pm
by elliseamos
Also this seems fine: Wagner vs. Chechens rather than both vs. Ukraine.

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 1:47 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 1:49 pm
by Anders
Usually when a terrible dictatorship could fall, there is joy from that. But no doubt that the opposition here is not ideal. It’s the dictator’s own dogs attacking him.

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 2:59 pm
by McParadigm
Bi_3 wrote:Can someone explain why this good? Why is toppling Putin (owner of thousand upon thousands of nukes) this way being presented as a good thing? This Wagner guy a global war criminal, will he surrender power like George Washington?
I think the general excitement is drawn from an assumption that under both scenarios, Russia is a hot mess full of ticking international time bombs, but also under one of those scenarios…Vladimir Putin ate shit.

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 3:31 pm
by Anders

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 3:56 pm
by Bi_3

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:09 pm
by Anders

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:17 pm
by McParadigm
Impossible to imagine the resulting power vacuum sealing itself shut with such ease.

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:39 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Maybe Navalny will get out of prison and take over

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:44 pm
by 96583UP
hopefully no one starts firing off nuclear weapons

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:47 pm
by Anders
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Maybe Navalny will get out of prison and take over
Don’t think he is popular in Russia with the general public any longer, nor does he have widespread support amongst the elites.

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:48 pm
by 96583UP
gonna be great when the chechen warlord de facto takes over part of somewhere and starts raping people

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:49 pm
by 96583UP
wonder if putin is dialing up xi jinping right now to ask for help?

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:53 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 4:59 pm
by elliseamos
tragabigzanda wrote:
96583UP wrote:wonder if putin is dialing up xi jinping right now to ask for help?
I do wonder if recent visits with China involved back room discussions around a new partnership.

Nvidia struggling to fabricate cutting edge chips; US dependent on Taiwan and SK for the foreseeable future. Some sort of compromise with China feels inevitable. Is Russia getting globally blacklisted?
Don't forget India. That visit just happened this week and they were soaking up Russian arms & oil.

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 5:02 pm
by 96583UP
Russia is already globally blacklisted by developed nations

some developing countries dependent on their food and oil still do business with them

China’s path to high-end chip technology is the same as everything else: espionage …

they have a marriage of convenience with russia and will look to extract as much benefit for their people from it as possible

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 5:04 pm
by 96583UP
India is getting a state dinner with the US Pres

meetings with tech titans

they are set to receive the manufacturing investments Us corporations will need to move out of China

India also finally getting advanced US airpower

they buy cheap russian oil and we look the other way but they know their future is with us

esp bc they hate China

they need our military tech to keep china out of their face

Re: Russia

Posted: Sat June 24, 2023 5:14 pm
by elliseamos
Absolutely, 96583UP.

But my point in mentioning them is that thr coup & the visit are pretty timely.