Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:Are you guys excited about Rians trilogy?

BurtReynolds wrote:Exactly. There was never any indication that Luke would act that way in that situation, even for a moment. In fact, when faced with a far more dangerous situation and a villain that had already committed atrocities, he still saw the good in that villain and chose not to kill him. And on top of that, his actions were vindicated, thus instilling this belief in him even further. There is absolutely no reason Luke would decide to kill kylo except the writers suck.

This is a textbook example of what you call "acting out of character" and all the flowery voiceover in the world can't help that.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:You can have static characters that dont change and are always right as the hero. That happens a lot in movies actually. Captain America or Batman comes to mind.

One problem with Rey is that, not only does she never change and is already the most powerful being in the galaxy from the start, no one challenges her worldview either (to the extent she has one) except Kylo and Luke, who are portrayed as such weak, hopeless clowns, that you can't take them as serious threats to her. She mows through them as easily as she does everyone else.

But her allies should challenge her as well. I think the great thing about Winter Soldier is that even Cap's own allies like Black Widow or Nick Fury challenge his worldview. Same in Batman with Alfred and Fox (and man is The Joker a counterforce to be reckoned with!). In these Star War movies, her allies can't stop gushing over how amazing she is. Its so pandering. Its like the writers think she needs constant validation, or that if they constantly point out how wonderful she is, the audience will just buy it. yet I still don't know why I'm supposed to care about her. She's just Jesus.

I've noticed this in a lot of recent movies (Spider-man comes to mind).

oh, and...

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NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH GENDER YOU IDIOT SJWs

These are valid points though i disagree with your assertion that Luke and Kylo are weak and hopeless fools. I think they have challenged her in many ways and i still view Rey as a very volatile and immature character.

that's not in the movie. You're making this up for yourself.

it is in the movie you just dont like the way it was done.

They attempt to challenge her, but there is never any doubt that they may be right or that she might be forced into a hard choice. She is so perfect, and they are so silly, that there is never any drama here. She isn't pressed on anything. She's never tempted or forced into compromise. She's never given any difficult choices. Her antagonists are no threat.

Boring.

In the originals, Luke is forced into a few of those moments of decision.

stip wrote:just like the prequels made me like the OT less, TLJ has actually made me appreciate Luke’s OTjourney a lot more. Which is nice

stip wrote:what character did the prequels respect - or did they make the OT better by comparison. Like hanging out with the ugliest kid in school to feel more attractive.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Until you assholes can play nicely, I'm locking this thread. If it carries over into another SW thread, I'm locking the whole forum. And I'm dead serious. Some of you think you are all knowing SW fans that treat others like shit just because they don't agree with you. You are just as bad as the people that were attacking Kelly Marie Tran about her role.

Strat wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:Watch it again and don’t be an idiot

why are you guys insulting tree so much for disagreeing with you about a movie

Welcome to the internet you emotional baby

Also this was a joke FYI.

Also interesting that because you agree with tree you don’t see he’s also been name calling :/

dimejinky99 wrote:Name your five things you loved about this movie. This is a test.

I’ll wakt.

tree_ wrote:You are misrepresenting my argument. Given where and how Rey supposedly spent her entire life it would be interesting and make sense to see her struggling a little bit to adapt to new environments . That worked well in Wonder Woman. A little different but similar.

As far as Luke, some of it makes sense but a lot of his character changes are unearned. I don't care what direction they go in with the characters but it is important they get there logically.

blueviper wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Name your five things you loved about this movie. This is a test.

I’ll wakt.

5. Porgs

Anders wrote:

blueviper wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Name your five things you loved about this movie. This is a test.

I’ll wakt.

5. Porgs

blueviper wrote:Luke grew up on Tatooine, but then in ESB he jumps into the Dagobah bog and swims to shore. How did he learn to swim?

BurtReynolds wrote:Exactly. There was never any indication that Luke would act that way in that situation, even for a moment. In fact, when faced with a far more dangerous situation and a villain that had already committed atrocities, he still saw the good in that villain and chose not to kill him. And on top of that, his actions were vindicated, thus instilling this belief in him even further. There is absolutely no reason Luke would decide to kill kylo except the writers suck.

This is a textbook example of what you call "acting out of character" and all the flowery voiceover in the world can't help that.