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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 5:54 pm
by McParadigm
Liked by Kellyanne.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 5:57 pm
by McParadigm
Cohen quits the RNC
“This important role requires the full time attention and dedication of each member. Given the ongoing Mueller and SDNY investigations, that simply is impossible for me to do,” he wrote.

Cohen also criticized the administration's policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the southern border, the first time he’s distanced himself from the president.

"As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips."

Cohen on Tuesday hired New York lawyer Guy Petrillo to represent him in a federal investigation into his business dealings.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 6:23 pm
by Bi_3
cutuphalfdead wrote:You don't get credit for putting out a fire if you set it in the first place.
You have never worked at the federal level, have you?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 6:33 pm
by Norah

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 6:45 pm
by Hatfield
Bi_3 wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Annnnnnnd we’re already back to eye rolling about entire world views based on celebrity tweets.
That was an example of why we need to get the emotions in check before this gets worse. For example, an Antifa sect tweeted out a list of ICE agents names and locations this morning. We are teetering on the verge of something really bad here.

No, the past two years were littered with examples of why we needed to get the emotions out of immigration issues. Constant fear mongering has reached a level in which the discussion of people in cages has such little impact on a basic humanity/civility level that people think bringing up a celebrities tweet can deflect the issue.
You realize I am on your side here, right?

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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 7:00 pm
by McParadigm
Honest question: how do you reunite a 9 month old infant with a parent who doesn’t speak English and who may have already been deported?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 7:08 pm
by tragabigzanda
McParadigm wrote:Honest question: how do you reunite a 9 month old infant with a parent who doesn’t speak English and who may have already been deported?
you don't

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 7:33 pm
by McParadigm
They spelled ‘separation’ wrong in the Executive Order.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 7:46 pm
by McParadigm
“We’re going to ask the courts to change their mind about the legality of indefinitely imprisoning children. Should be no problem.”
(e) The Attorney General shall promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”), in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:08 pm
by tragabigzanda
here's Stephen Miller's cellphone number if anyone wants it
https://splinternews.com/heres-stephen- ... 1826985626

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:10 pm
by Strat
That's amazing.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:26 pm
by McParadigm
Mark Meadows and Paul Ryan are having quite the moment right now.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:29 pm
by Bi_3
McParadigm wrote:“We’re going to ask the courts to change their mind about the legality of indefinitely imprisoning children. Should be no problem.”
(e) The Attorney General shall promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”), in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings.

Exactly why “not this” is a bad answer.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:29 pm
by McParadigm
Happening on the House floor.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:37 pm
by McParadigm
Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:“We’re going to ask the courts to change their mind about the legality of indefinitely imprisoning children. Should be no problem.”
(e) The Attorney General shall promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”), in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings.

Exactly why “not this” is a bad answer.
Because the only alternative to inhuman behavior that an entire party’s worth of ruling figures can bring themselves to entertain continues to reduce legal immigration while locking up every child at the border until such time that their parents can be punished for not following the legal path that is being actively constrained, however long that takes??

Yeah, it’s probably everyone else’s fault for not organizing and proposing a solution that those people whose entire purpose is to effectively govern could sell to their “all immigrants are ms-13” base.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:43 pm
by McParadigm
Following up on this, I believe the immigration bills are now in trouble from a possible freedom caucus revolt, and...maybe so is Paul.
McParadigm wrote:Happening on the House floor.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:44 pm
by tragabigzanda
McParadigm wrote:Following up on this, I believe the immigration bills are now in trouble from a possible freedom caucus revolt, and...maybe so is Paul.
McParadigm wrote:Happening on the House floor.
Does the FC have enough power to impeach ryan and install a sympathetic speaker? Because that would be sort of great.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:54 pm
by McParadigm
A formal petition removing him would need a majority to pass. Yes, I do believe the FC could achieve that...especially with presidential support.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 8:57 pm
by tragabigzanda
McParadigm wrote:A formal petition removing him would need a majority to pass. Yes, I do believe the FC could achieve that...especially with presidential support.
Interesting. Why would POTUS support this? He doesn't seem any more beholden to the FC than to the conventional GOP, and at least with Ryan he gets to portray the illusion of having a House leader who is working to find compromises between the two factions. If they were to put a less-diplomatic person in that role -- from either side of the hate spectrum -- wouldn't it reflect poorly on Trump as they would likely be even less productive than they are currently?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed June 20, 2018 9:00 pm
by McParadigm
You are talking about strategy, self-awareness, and outcomes-based decision-making. Do you see the problem with that?