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Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Sun September 15, 2013 8:50 pm
by OmegaprimeVKM
harmless wrote:The over-production is starting to become much less of an issue, and listening to pre-S/T stuff yesterday I realised how much production wizardry was also applied to older stuff. All in all, I wonder how much of my "Shit this is so over-produced" shock reaction was due to the fact that this does sound thick and layered, and Backspacer and S/T really didn't, at least by comparison.
I'm on board with you now mate - I am starting to see this record take shape from what we've heard and it's better than the last 2 at the very least, so far. Sirens and Future Days have a good chance of dragging it down but I don't think it'll be that bad. It's only real criticism is the lack of clear follow up singles to sell the record to the mindless passive music fans.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Sun September 15, 2013 8:52 pm
by harmless
OmegaprimeVKM wrote:harmless wrote:The over-production is starting to become much less of an issue, and listening to pre-S/T stuff yesterday I realised how much production wizardry was also applied to older stuff. All in all, I wonder how much of my "Shit this is so over-produced" shock reaction was due to the fact that this does sound thick and layered, and Backspacer and S/T really didn't, at least by comparison.
I'm on board with you now mate - I am starting to see this record take shape from what we've heard and it's better than the last 2 at the very least, so far. Sirens and Future Days have a good chance of dragging it down but I don't think it'll be that bad. It's only real criticism is the lack of clear follow up singles to sell the record to the mindless passive music fans.
The one problem I have with this song is that warbley sixties thing that happens. Other than that, no problems at all really.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Sun September 15, 2013 10:12 pm
by stip
this song is why I love pearl jam.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Sun September 15, 2013 10:14 pm
by harmless
stip wrote:
this song is why I love pearl jam.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Sun September 15, 2013 11:35 pm
by digster
I do wish this song didn't have the chorus it does. It's quite nice up to there, then splat.
I think it's crystallized for me in the past few months, I guess just from a geeky songwriting perspective, that one of my pet peeves with PJ on the past few records is not knowing how to make the progressions from one part into another flow well.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Sun September 15, 2013 11:43 pm
by harmless
digster wrote:I do wish this song didn't have the chorus it does. It's quite nice up to there, then splat.
I think it's crystallized for me in the past few months, I guess just from a geeky songwriting perspective, that one of my pet peeves with PJ on the past few records is not knowing how to make the progressions from one part into another flow well.
This is true.
Edit: the only consolation for me is that the "chorus" isn't trying to be the biggest part of the song; the last verse is.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 1:00 am
by harmless
If BO'B had added those "doo-doo doos" to Black, we'd be really pissed off at him.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 1:39 am
by harmless
I much prefer "Eh-yeah! Eh-yeah!" on the end of this, to "Yeah Yeah! Yeah Yeah!", what we got at Wrigley.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 1:41 am
by stip
I like the shimmery way he sings lightning bolt. Still don't like this as an album title but I'm okay with it as a song now. She's a lightning bolt is a significant improvement over just singing lightning bolt
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 1:58 am
by harmless
stip wrote:I like the shimmery way he sings lightning bolt. Still don't like this as an album title but I'm okay with it as a song now. She's a lightning bolt is a significant improvement over just singing lightning bolt
TRUTH!
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:01 am
by harmless
And I still love how the rhythm of "Lightning Bolt" is sung over the groove. It's tight. I can imagine Ed sang it right on the bar and then Matt said no, sing it slightly behind each time... groooovier.
Edit: but he fucked it up at Wrigley. Wonder if he'll get it right next time.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:03 am
by stip
I am about to listen to it. I'll listen for that
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:09 am
by stip
I THINK i see what you're talking about, but I can't say I'm positive I do
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:10 am
by stip
remember the 'will the studio make a song a little better or do you basically know what you're getting conversation that we spent the first 35 pages of this thread talking about?
Re: new song lightning bolt!
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:10 am
by stip
okay, seems to be the case here
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:14 am
by stip
i seemed to like it, but nothing in my initial posts would come close to leading me to believe that I would come to prefer this to MYM, or that it might very well become a top tier pearl jam song.
Still too early to say that with certainty, obviously, but this is a case of a studio version pushing a song up by at least a full point in my estimation.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:15 am
by harmless
stip wrote:I THINK i see what you're talking about, but I can't say I'm positive I do
I'll try and illustrate it...
On the first one, the "B" of "Boooolt" falls on the first beat of the chorus bar. But the second one doesn't. Imagine the x's here are beats of the bar, and when "o" becomes "w" the note has risen slightly. It goes:
Lightning booooooowwwwwwwlt
....................X.....X.....X.....X
And then the next ones come in just as early each time.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:17 am
by harmless
stip wrote:remember the 'will the studio make a song a little better or do you basically know what you're getting conversation that we spent the first 35 pages of this thread talking about?
Yep.
And I've felt pretty smug since we found out I was right... I just haven't wanted to rub it in.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:17 am
by PHATJ
stip wrote:
this song is why I love pearl jam.
I fucking love this song too.
Re: New Song: Lightning Bolt
Posted: Mon September 16, 2013 2:17 am
by stip
and normally the sound would change on the beat?
