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PHATJ wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

PHATJ wrote:Twins this offseason:

Considering Odorizzi, Pineda, and Romo were already there last year and Bailey/Hill/Avila/Clippard are worse than the group of free agents they lost, they were basically treading water until the Donaldson deal. That's a huge one, though, and should move the needle and make them the clear favourite in the central, but outside of him that's a pretty unimpressive list.

Odorizzi, Pineda, and Romo were all unrestricted free agents. Those signings count and are significant. Bailey doesn’t jump out as a particularly impressive signing, but in his final eight starts for Oakland last year he was VERY good. Look at the numbers. Apparently they adjusted his pitch sequencing and tinkered with his mechanics and the results were evident. The Twins appear confident they can continue to get quality innings for a season.

When healthy, which is admittedly rare, Rich Hill can be absolutely filthy. For $3MM this signing could be huge the second half of the season. Avila more than adequately replaces Jason Castro as a complimentary catcher for Mitch Garver. Tyler Clippard is a competitive bullpen arm that gets added to a group that is already one of the best in the league.

When you mention the free agents the Twins lost, I’m assuming you mean Jonathan Schoop and CJ Cron. The Twins are replacing Schoop with Luis Arraez. Arráez hit .334 last year and walked more than he struck out. By the second half of last season he was playing every day and Schoop was not - and he was just a rookie. No back step there. And CJ Cron has been effectively replaced by Josh Donaldson. Cron is a solid player, but he’s not close to Donaldson’s class. Donaldson vastly improves the left side infield defense, and extends the already record setting lineup.

The Twins have significantly improved this offseason. And I think there’s a really good chance that they will make a trade for an impact starting pitcher too. They have the depth and farm system to make that happen if they want to.

Sure, they "count" as moves they made this offseason, but those ones don't make the team better than last year.

As I explained, those moves combined with the additional moves do make them better.

philpritchard wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

PHATJ wrote:Twins this offseason:

Considering Odorizzi, Pineda, and Romo were already there last year and Bailey/Hill/Avila/Clippard are worse than the group of free agents they lost, they were basically treading water until the Donaldson deal. That's a huge one, though, and should move the needle and make them the clear favourite in the central, but outside of him that's a pretty unimpressive list.

Odorizzi, Pineda, and Romo were all unrestricted free agents. Those signings count and are significant. Bailey doesn’t jump out as a particularly impressive signing, but in his final eight starts for Oakland last year he was VERY good. Look at the numbers. Apparently they adjusted his pitch sequencing and tinkered with his mechanics and the results were evident. The Twins appear confident they can continue to get quality innings for a season.

When healthy, which is admittedly rare, Rich Hill can be absolutely filthy. For $3MM this signing could be huge the second half of the season. Avila more than adequately replaces Jason Castro as a complimentary catcher for Mitch Garver. Tyler Clippard is a competitive bullpen arm that gets added to a group that is already one of the best in the league.

When you mention the free agents the Twins lost, I’m assuming you mean Jonathan Schoop and CJ Cron. The Twins are replacing Schoop with Luis Arraez. Arráez hit .334 last year and walked more than he struck out. By the second half of last season he was playing every day and Schoop was not - and he was just a rookie. No back step there. And CJ Cron has been effectively replaced by Josh Donaldson. Cron is a solid player, but he’s not close to Donaldson’s class. Donaldson vastly improves the left side infield defense, and extends the already record setting lineup.

The Twins have significantly improved this offseason. And I think there’s a really good chance that they will make a trade for an impact starting pitcher too. They have the depth and farm system to make that happen if they want to.

Sure, they "count" as moves they made this offseason, but those ones don't make the team better than last year.

As I explained, those moves combined with the additional moves do make them better.

I understand that. As I explained, prior to the Donaldson signing the team hadn't gotten better because anyone they brought in was either already there last year or replacing someone they lost. The Donaldson signing, however, is a huge addition.

Retaining Odorizzi, Pineda, and Romo is important, but it doesn't make them better than last year.
Replacing Gibson and Perez with Bailey and Hill is important, but it doesn't make them better than last year.
Replacing Castro with Avila is important, but it doesn't make them better than last year.
Extending Sano is awesome, but it doesn't make them better than last year.

Adding Donaldson without losing anyone significant from the offense, though, is huge.

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Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:100% of Red Sox fans I've heard from have taken the cheating allegation news with some version of, "Fuck it, whatever, fine them out the wazoo, I don't care" (I am not excepted from this group). It's unreal how far our morale as a fanbase has fallen in the past 14 months.

Omg, Boston hasn’t won a championship in like 20 minutes... fan moral is in the dumps! Lol, what a bunch of entitled pussies. Imagine living in a state where the most recent championship was 30 years ago and 3/4 of your major franchises have never won a championship. Then talk about fan moral. Fuck Boston.

Guy, my prime sports watching years as a kid were from 1984 to 2000. During that time, I saw the Buckner play live in '86, plenty of INTs from Drew Bledsoe, the Bears killing the Pats 46-10 in the Super Bowl and Desmond Howard and the Packers humiliate the Patriots in the '96 Super Bowl.

Then there's the drought: From '86 to 2000 (17 years) there wasn't a single title among the four major sports teams. Believe me, we suffered through a lot of losing and gut punching seasons from all these teams.

But yeah, 30 years does suck. I guess sports is about what degree of suckiness sucks the most and cheating is sometimes worthwhile.

The Twins last WS was in 1991. Since then they’ve lost 15 consecutive playoff games including 12 straight to the Yankees. Every other team in the AL Central has appeared in the World Series since the Twins last won a playoff game. The Royals and White Sox have won the WS.

The Vikings have lost 4 Super Bowls, 6 consecutive conference championship games, and 30 total playoff games - more than any team in NFL history. Their biggest rival, the GB Packers, remain a Super Bowl contender, having had about 25 consecutive years of QB play from Hall of Famers Brett Favre and Aaron Rogers.

The Timberwolves are perennial losers that had the longest playoff drought in the NBA until recently, and have just one conference finals appearance in Franchise history - a loss to the Lakers, Minneapolis’s former team, and one of the most successful franchises in pro sports history.

Minnesota is called “The State of Hockey”, yet the MN Wild have had very little post season success to speak of. After replacing the beloved North Stars that broke hearts by leaving the state of hockey for freaking Texas, the Wild have made just one conference finals appearance in franchise history, and regularly get sent home by their biggest divisional rival - the Chicago Blackhawks.

Brutal.

Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:100% of Red Sox fans I've heard from have taken the cheating allegation news with some version of, "Fuck it, whatever, fine them out the wazoo, I don't care" (I am not excepted from this group). It's unreal how far our morale as a fanbase has fallen in the past 14 months.

Omg, Boston hasn’t won a championship in like 20 minutes... fan moral is in the dumps! Lol, what a bunch of entitled pussies. Imagine living in a state where the most recent championship was 30 years ago and 3/4 of your major franchises have never won a championship. Then talk about fan moral. Fuck Boston.

Guy, my prime sports watching years as a kid were from 1984 to 2000. During that time, I saw the Buckner play live in '86, plenty of INTs from Drew Bledsoe, the Bears killing the Pats 46-10 in the Super Bowl and Desmond Howard and the Packers humiliate the Patriots in the '96 Super Bowl.

Then there's the drought: From '86 to 2000 (17 years) there wasn't a single title among the four major sports teams. Believe me, we suffered through a lot of losing and gut punching seasons from all these teams.

But yeah, 30 years does suck. I guess sports is about what degree of suckiness sucks the most and cheating is sometimes worthwhile.

The Twins last WS was in 1991. Since then they’ve lost 15 consecutive playoff games including 12 straight to the Yankees. Every other team in the AL Central has appeared in the World Series since the Twins last won a playoff game. The Royals and White Sox have won the WS.

The Vikings have lost 4 Super Bowls, 6 consecutive conference championship games, and 30 total playoff games - more than any team in NFL history. Their biggest rival, the GB Packers, remain a Super Bowl contender, having had about 25 consecutive years of QB play from Hall of Famers Brett Favre and Aaron Rogers.

The Timberwolves are perennial losers that had the longest playoff drought in the NBA until recently, and have just one conference finals appearance in Franchise history - a loss to the Lakers, Minneapolis’s former team, and one of the most successful franchises in pro sports history.

Minnesota is called “The State of Hockey”, yet the MN Wild have had very little post season success to speak of. After replacing the beloved North Stars that broke hearts by leaving the state of hockey for freaking Texas, the Wild have made just one conference finals appearance in franchise history, and regularly get sent home by their biggest divisional rival - the Chicago Blackhawks.

Brutal.

Yeah, that really sucks. The only positive thing I can think of is college hockey. MN won it all in '02 and '03. Plus they won it all three times in the 70s.

There's that rumor about Brady going to MN - if he has to play anywhere beside NE, I would root for MN to get him.

PHATJ wrote:

Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:100% of Red Sox fans I've heard from have taken the cheating allegation news with some version of, "Fuck it, whatever, fine them out the wazoo, I don't care" (I am not excepted from this group). It's unreal how far our morale as a fanbase has fallen in the past 14 months.

Omg, Boston hasn’t won a championship in like 20 minutes... fan moral is in the dumps! Lol, what a bunch of entitled pussies. Imagine living in a state where the most recent championship was 30 years ago and 3/4 of your major franchises have never won a championship. Then talk about fan moral. Fuck Boston.

Guy, my prime sports watching years as a kid were from 1984 to 2000. During that time, I saw the Buckner play live in '86, plenty of INTs from Drew Bledsoe, the Bears killing the Pats 46-10 in the Super Bowl and Desmond Howard and the Packers humiliate the Patriots in the '96 Super Bowl.

Then there's the drought: From '86 to 2000 (17 years) there wasn't a single title among the four major sports teams. Believe me, we suffered through a lot of losing and gut punching seasons from all these teams.

But yeah, 30 years does suck. I guess sports is about what degree of suckiness sucks the most and cheating is sometimes worthwhile.

The Twins last WS was in 1991. Since then they’ve lost 15 consecutive playoff games including 12 straight to the Yankees. Every other team in the AL Central has appeared in the World Series since the Twins last won a playoff game. The Royals and White Sox have won the WS.

The Vikings have lost 4 Super Bowls, 6 consecutive conference championship games, and 30 total playoff games - more than any team in NFL history. Their biggest rival, the GB Packers, remain a Super Bowl contender, having had about 25 consecutive years of QB play from Hall of Famers Brett Favre and Aaron Rogers.

The Timberwolves are perennial losers that had the longest playoff drought in the NBA until recently, and have just one conference finals appearance in Franchise history - a loss to the Lakers, Minneapolis’s former team, and one of the most successful franchises in pro sports history.

Minnesota is called “The State of Hockey”, yet the MN Wild have had very little post season success to speak of. After replacing the beloved North Stars that broke hearts by leaving the state of hockey for freaking Texas, the Wild have made just one conference finals appearance in franchise history, and regularly get sent home by their biggest divisional rival - the Chicago Blackhawks.

Brutal.

Yeah, that really sucks. The only positive thing I can think of is college hockey. MN won it all in '02 and '03. Plus they won it all three times in the 70s.

There's that rumor about Brady going to MN - if he has to play anywhere beside NE, I would root for MN to get him.

Being a MN fan isn’t easy.

I’d jizz my pants if Brady came to MN, but he’ll probably go to Chicago and just beat the Vikings twice a year.

Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Coach wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:100% of Red Sox fans I've heard from have taken the cheating allegation news with some version of, "Fuck it, whatever, fine them out the wazoo, I don't care" (I am not excepted from this group). It's unreal how far our morale as a fanbase has fallen in the past 14 months.

Omg, Boston hasn’t won a championship in like 20 minutes... fan moral is in the dumps! Lol, what a bunch of entitled pussies. Imagine living in a state where the most recent championship was 30 years ago and 3/4 of your major franchises have never won a championship. Then talk about fan moral. Fuck Boston.

Guy, my prime sports watching years as a kid were from 1984 to 2000. During that time, I saw the Buckner play live in '86, plenty of INTs from Drew Bledsoe, the Bears killing the Pats 46-10 in the Super Bowl and Desmond Howard and the Packers humiliate the Patriots in the '96 Super Bowl.

Then there's the drought: From '86 to 2000 (17 years) there wasn't a single title among the four major sports teams. Believe me, we suffered through a lot of losing and gut punching seasons from all these teams.

But yeah, 30 years does suck. I guess sports is about what degree of suckiness sucks the most and cheating is sometimes worthwhile.

The Twins last WS was in 1991. Since then they’ve lost 15 consecutive playoff games including 12 straight to the Yankees. Every other team in the AL Central has appeared in the World Series since the Twins last won a playoff game. The Royals and White Sox have won the WS.

The Vikings have lost 4 Super Bowls, 6 consecutive conference championship games, and 30 total playoff games - more than any team in NFL history. Their biggest rival, the GB Packers, remain a Super Bowl contender, having had about 25 consecutive years of QB play from Hall of Famers Brett Favre and Aaron Rogers.

The Timberwolves are perennial losers that had the longest playoff drought in the NBA until recently, and have just one conference finals appearance in Franchise history - a loss to the Lakers, Minneapolis’s former team, and one of the most successful franchises in pro sports history.

Minnesota is called “The State of Hockey”, yet the MN Wild have had very little post season success to speak of. After replacing the beloved North Stars that broke hearts by leaving the state of hockey for freaking Texas, the Wild have made just one conference finals appearance in franchise history, and regularly get sent home by their biggest divisional rival - the Chicago Blackhawks.

Brutal.

Yeah, that really sucks. The only positive thing I can think of is college hockey. MN won it all in '02 and '03. Plus they won it all three times in the 70s.

There's that rumor about Brady going to MN - if he has to play anywhere beside NE, I would root for MN to get him.

Being a MN fan isn’t easy.

I’d jizz my pants if Brady came to MN, but he’ll probably go to Chicago and just beat the Vikings twice a year.

The MN rumor about Brady is all over Boston. His mom is from there. The team plays indoors most of the time. They have the pieces for a championship....

washing machine wrote:I'll go, bammer.

Bammer wrote:Anyone here an Oakland A’s fan? New stadium renderings look pretty cool.

Spoiler: show

Great tweet; horrible spelling.