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durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:But seriously, I think TNG flourished while he was alive. Dramatic conflict doesn't have to be interpersonal among the crew. The show went downhill after he passed.

Of course dramatic conflict doesn't have to be interpersonal among the crew. But ignoring one of the truest and oldest aspects of human nature isn't interesting or believable or sustainable. I get what he was going for, but again, there's no dramatic tension in it.

people like you are the reason we don't have spaceships

wut

Again, serious response now: I just flat-out disagree with you. What you're talking is the entire core vision for the show. Roddenberry's whole concept was that humans would only be able to achieve the amazing things they did in the show after they evolve out of all the petty conflict that has been holding us back since the dawn of time. The "believability" of that is debatable and subjective, but I absolutely think it's sustainable and interesting. That's why I think the show became LESS interesting as they slowly moved away from that. It always mostly remained, but they strayed. It's the whole reason I responded to Trek in the first place.

Also, in today's installment of "That's So LV!", I think "dramatic conflict" is possibly the most overrated thing ever.

Boy oh boy. I'm comfortable disagreeing with you on just about anything. But absolutely not on the idea of dramatic conflict. Absolutely not. What you're saying is absurd. It's ignorant. And I appreciate your "subjective" arguments but this isn't one of them. You sound ignorant. And I know you're not so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just let it go. We'll call it an agree to disagree subject and move along without anyone getting hurt.

But regarding your first paragraph. Those aren't mutually exclusive ideas. And that's what Roddenberry didn't seem to understand either. Dramatic conflict doesn't mean "humans haven't evolved past petty conflict." Dramatic conflict isn't petty conflict.

bada wrote:LV is certainly the first person I've ever heard of that thinks the first two seasons of TNG are the best. Each their own.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

bada wrote:LV is certainly the first person I've ever heard of that thinks the first two seasons of TNG are the best. Each their own.

Actually, I think seasons 2 and 3 are the best.

BurtReynolds wrote:The alien rapist episode is a little strange

Spoiler: show

Revelator wrote:All episodes involving Troi's mother are the worst, IMO. Overall though TNG is far and away my favorite ST series, and easily one of my top 10 shows all time.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I like Troi's mom. The one episode where her new lover has to die (or something like that) is excellent, and gives a great new dimension to that character.