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Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Thu August 15, 2019 9:25 pm
by BurtReynolds
My expectations have been subverted.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 3:01 am
by epilogue
This movie was just as frustrating as any Taranrino film. Uneven, half-baked, filled with great performances and scenes but ultimately hollow. It's like reading a 14 year old's history class notebook if the kid has ADD and hates history. And also thinks Bruce Lee was a chode.

Leo is a revelation though. He should win awards for this performance.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 3:55 am
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 3:58 am
by tree_
Joe doesn't know cinematic flavor

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 4:03 am
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 4:15 am
by tree_
Werd. Get it together Joe

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 4:40 am
by Monkey_Driven
tragabigzanda wrote:Joe’s whole review stinks, but the “hollow” part is the worst part. This movie was a heart-filled love letter to a bygone era. Tarantino’s never been so full of emotion.

And the outcry over the Bruce lee scene is asinine. He made those funny sounds all the time, he carried himself with arrogant bravado on a regular basis, and he did talk about beating up Muhammad Ali. Pitt’s getting some shots in established his character as a badass withtout in any way besmirching Lee or Asian people.
Team Trag on the Bruce Lee bit.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 5:03 am
by Dev
I related to the characters a lot. This film had a lot of heart. The only thing hollow is Joey's head!

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 11:25 am
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 12:16 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:Joe’s whole review stinks, but the “hollow” part is the worst part. This movie was a heart-filled love letter to a bygone era. Tarantino’s never been so full of emotion.
Yeah, but it's a love letter from an entited 14 year old boy who thinks it's romantic to stalk a girl for years before finally shoving the letter into her locker while she's in gym class on the last day of school, then turn around and call her his girlfriend all summer.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 12:17 pm
by epilogue
I do like a lot of the emotion in the film, though. It's one of the thing's strengths. Much of it is under developed and half baked. But still. I would never say it wasn't an emotional (esp for Tarantino) movie.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 12:30 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:And the outcry over the Bruce lee scene is asinine. He made those funny sounds all the time, he carried himself with arrogant bravado on a regular basis, and he did talk about beating up Muhammad Ali. Pitt’s getting some shots in established his character as a badass withtout in any way besmirching Lee or Asian people.
And you're obviously responding to something outside what I said. Having read zero reviews/discussions about this movie (including any in this thread) I'm not comfortable debating it. I'm only going off my own thoughts, not some mass "outcry."

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 1:19 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 1:42 pm
by VinylGuy
cant wait to see this and weigh in on this thread.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 2:12 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 2:39 pm
by tree_
Yeah, so much love for her. People say she doesn't have enough lines but I reject their hypothesis.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 2:42 pm
by epilogue
It's a great scene. But that's it. Sharon Tate isn't even a character in the film. Margot Robbie is probably the best actor in the cast (at least 2nd best) and QT gives her next to nothing to do. He even takes a brief moment to imply that Sharon Tate could have had a thing for Manson. Thank god he got bored of that idea as quickly as all his other ideas in this thing. That could have been stip icky.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 2:44 pm
by tree_
durdencommatyler wrote:It's a great scene. But that's it. Sharon Tate isn't even a character in the film. Margot Robbie is probably the best actor in the cast (at least 2nd best) and QT gives her next to nothing to do. He even takes a brief moment to imply that Sharon Tate could have had a thing for Manson. Thank god he got bored of that idea as quickly as all his other ideas in this thing. That could have been stip icky.
I didn't pick up on that. To me it looked like she approached everyone with open arms, love and kindness, even the man who would ultimately be responsible for her demise.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 2:45 pm
by epilogue
QT is amazing at scene work. He continues to be in this as well. The man should make shorts. Or actor audition reels. Then again, I'm not sure he's a competent director of actors. I think he needs great actors so he doesn't have to drop any heavy lifting.

But, yeah, some of the individual scenes in this are scary good. Sharon in the theater is one of them.

Re: Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

Posted: Fri August 16, 2019 2:46 pm
by epilogue
tree_ wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:It's a great scene. But that's it. Sharon Tate isn't even a character in the film. Margot Robbie is probably the best actor in the cast (at least 2nd best) and QT gives her next to nothing to do. He even takes a brief moment to imply that Sharon Tate could have had a thing for Manson. Thank god he got bored of that idea as quickly as all his other ideas in this thing. That could have been stip icky.
I didn't pick up on that. To me it looked like she approached everyone with open arms, love and kindness, even the man who would ultimately be responsible for her demise.
There's even a Steve McQeen monologue above it.