Red Mosquito

B wrote:

Mickey wrote:Jorge is POC he can say it

Plenty of Black people don't think Black people should use it.

Are you really going to make me explain this joke to you.

Whew new page I'm off the hook

B wrote:

Mickey wrote:Jorge is POC he can say it

Plenty of Black people don't think Black people should use it.

A lot of complaining about whether or not you have permission to use the n-word. I'm not convinced that what s_s and Burt want is permission. They want to be able to say it without people thinking they are racist assholes.

I don't think using the word inherently makes you a racist. An asshole maybe, but not necessarily a racist. Intent matters.

B wrote:

Mickey wrote:Jorge is POC he can say it

Plenty of Black people don't think Black people should use it.

A lot of complaining about whether or not you have permission to use the n-word. I'm not convinced that what s_s and Burt want is permission. They want to be able to say it without people thinking they are racist assholes.

That's the lack of brain capacity talking again. Your argument makes no sense.

Joe Rogan would be so damn proud of this thread right now

Bammer wrote:Joe Rogan would be so damn proud of this thread right now

Because we're a bunch of white guys having an uninformed discussion about a topic that doesn't effect us personally?

I'm not uninformed and it obviously affects everyone.

Bammer wrote:Joe Rogan would be so damn proud of this thread right now

I think we need to casually start promoting the Proud Boys before we'd get his tick of approval

Boy this is going to be some thread.

BurtReynolds wrote:I'm not uninformed and it obviously affects everyone.

Sorry I should have added misinformed

The is no need for either prefix!

Honest question for those of you seemingly wanting to be able to use this word without repercussion from society;

Does respect for others' interpretation/meaning come in to play at all for you or is this more of a selfish "it is my right to say what I want" deal? Do you think you are more offended about not being able to use it than the people it offends? What is that line? Certainly not if one, two, or even 100 people are offended, but what about the majority of a whole race?

When I was a teen/young adult, one set of my grandparents didn't mind if I cursed in conversation. Of course I never dropped an f-bomb or anything like that, but I would use, shit, damn, etc. They were Catholic, and one time I remember saying "Jesus Christ why didn't he pass the ball?" and my grandmother raised her voice and asked me never to use that term like that in front of her again. It wasn't offensive to me as I was questioning my religious beliefs at the time, but it was offensive to her. I guess I could have told her it is my right to say what I want. I pussed out though and never said it in front of her again.

I realize to Burt and s_s this is going to be some sort of simpleton, "sheeple", do what the "left" tells me to do opinion, but it just seems like common sense and respect. Taking time to argue as a white person why you should be able to say the n word, even if the context isn't malicious, just seems... weird?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Honest question for those of you seemingly wanting to be able to use this word without repercussion from society;

Does respect for others' interpretation/meaning come in to play at all for you or is this more of a selfish "it is my right to say what I want" deal? Do you think you are more offended about not being able to use it than the people it offends? What is that line? Certainly not if one, two, or even 100 people are offended, but what about the majority of a whole race?

When I was a teen/young adult, one set of my grandparents didn't mind if I cursed in conversation. Of course I never dropped an f-bomb or anything like that, but I would use, shit, damn, etc. They were Catholic, and one time I remember saying "Jesus Christ why didn't he pass the ball?" and my grandmother raised her voice and asked me never to use that term like that in front of her again. It wasn't offensive to me as I was questioning my religious beliefs at the time, but it was offensive to her. I guess I could have told her it is my right to say what I want. I pussed out though and never said it in front of her again.

I realize to Burt and s_s this is going to be some sort of simpleton, "sheeple", do what the "left" tells me to do opinion, but it just seems like common sense and respect. Taking time to argue as a white person why you should be able to say the n word, even if the context isn't malicious, just seems... weird?

Is it also common sense and respect to not get upset when someone uses a word for a different intent than hurting them? Why must it only flow one way? Must we all be eternally constrained by people's sensitivities? How does that possibly progress to anything good?

Of course I don't go around saying it willy-nilly. I'm not out to hurt anyone. But that doesn't mean I think that people shouldn't be able to rationally discuss it without childish bullshit like renaming it "the N-word", or acting like the mere sound itself is an inherent evil and thus no one can ever utter it.

There is political power in maintaining the power of it, of keeping it a truly unutterable "curse" word. You can reduce racism to just when a certain group says a word, so you can attack nonracist political enemies as racist if they ever made the sound with their mouths in their life (being branded a racist actually counts a lot in our society.) And it's so blindingly obvious that I know that the people who push this shit know this as well.

I don't like the word and I don't use the word and I don't want society at large to be comfortable using the word

But if you think that a white actor hired to portray a racist in the work of a black artist (for instance, a Klansman in Spike Lee's BlackKklansman) is able to utter the word without it meaning that he's racist, then you agree that there's at least one contextual instance of the word being "okay" for a white person to use.

There's interesting questions around the use of the word in academic discussions of literary texts, for example

eternally constrained

BurtReynolds wrote:And it's so blindingly obvious that I know that the people who push this shit know this as well.

I think you're really overestimating people here. I think most of the idiots peddling this shit really believe they're doing something virtuous.

JuanHamm wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:And it's so blindingly obvious that I know that the people who push this shit know this as well.

I think you're really overestimating people here. I think most of the idiots peddling this shit really believe they're doing something virtuous.

In this particular case this is clearly just a pretext to go after him when other attack vectors have failed.

JuanHamm wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:And it's so blindingly obvious that I know that the people who push this shit know this as well.

I think you're really overestimating people here. I think most of the idiots peddling this shit really believe they're doing something virtuous.

Yeah you're right, it wouldn't work if the masses weren't already programmed from birth to accept it. I'm mostly talking about the class that knows better.

McParadigm wrote:eternally constrained

figured you'd go with "willy-nilly".