Red Mosquito

Excellent post, Brett.

Yes, summed up what I was thinking brilliantly.

I was going to respond yesterday but I got swamped at work. Glad there are so many good posters around here that can contribute and who know more and are more eloquent than I.

But the choice to pick up the horn happens before the loop. Why does he now have the horn?

Because the Tower wants him to have the horn as a symbol of variance in the loop. There's really no other reason beyond that. It's an omnipotent entity, all of reality stems from it.

Yeah, I think you're overthinking it at this point CooperTim.

I don't think he "chose" to pick up the horn as much as the Tower chose that he should have it now.

What will it change at the end? That's the real question. What happens when Roland sounds the horn at the Tower and the loop is broken?

bune wrote:I don't think he "chose" to pick up the horn as much as the Tower chose that he should have it now.

What will it change at the end? That's the real question. What happens when Roland sounds the horn at the Tower and the loop is broken?

God the ending of this book was so bad. And i don't mean the time loop stuff. That was fine. But everything else about the final book was so bad....

Books 2 and 3 were by far the best, those were awesome. I also enjoyed 5 but its bittersweet because thats when he went all meta with it

The Artist was the worst.

Brett wrote:Because the Tower wants him to have the horn as a symbol of variance in the loop. There's really no other reason beyond that. It's an omnipotent entity, all of reality stems from it.

I'm totally for the variance IN the loop. The horn event is pre loop - outside the loop. The events that occur before reaching the loop should be fixed.

CopperTom wrote:

Brett wrote:Because the Tower wants him to have the horn as a symbol of variance in the loop. There's really no other reason beyond that. It's an omnipotent entity, all of reality stems from it.

I'm totally for the variance IN the loop. The horn event is pre loop - outside the loop. The events that occur before reaching the loop should be fixed.

Not if they changed the pre-existing circumstances to give him new tools to use this time. He is the same person with a different history. I dont know why that is hard to accept, but its easy to accept the idea of any time loop at all

more like Dork Tower, amirite?!

mikejasond wrote:

CopperTom wrote:

Brett wrote:Because the Tower wants him to have the horn as a symbol of variance in the loop. There's really no other reason beyond that. It's an omnipotent entity, all of reality stems from it.

I'm totally for the variance IN the loop. The horn event is pre loop - outside the loop. The events that occur before reaching the loop should be fixed.

Not if they changed the pre-existing circumstances to give him new tools to use this time. He is the same person with a different history. I dont know why that is hard to accept, but its easy to accept the idea of any time loop at all

There's nothing to support the theory that preloop events can change.

Except for the fact that he quite clearly has the horn at the end of the book.

Strat wrote:more like Dork Tower, amirite?!

I honestly read that more ofthen than not every time I see this thread.

mikejasond wrote:God the ending of this book was so bad. And i don't mean the time loop stuff. That was fine. But everything else about the final book was so bad....

Books 2 and 3 were by far the best, those were awesome. I also enjoyed 5 but its bittersweet because thats when he went all meta with it

It goes:

Book 5
Book 4
Book 3
Book 1
Book 7
Book 6
Book 2

And that's basically a scientific fact. And the meta stuff is awesome, second account.

durdencommatyler wrote:

mikejasond wrote:God the ending of this book was so bad. And i don't mean the time loop stuff. That was fine. But everything else about the final book was so bad....

Books 2 and 3 were by far the best, those were awesome. I also enjoyed 5 but its bittersweet because thats when he went all meta with it

It goes:

Book 5
Book 4
Book 3
Book 1
Book 7
Book 6
Book 2

And that's basically a scientific fact. And the meta stuff is awesome, second account.

WTF?! Book 2 at last place?!?!?!?!?!? Youre crazy.

My ranking would probably be

Book 3
Book 2
Book 5
Book 7 (For sheer entertainment...even though I hate so much of what they did I was never bored)
Book 4
Book 1
Book 6

Nope. Try again. Book 2 is easily the worst, pal. That's how good the series is.

What if Katheryn Winnick is playing Susan?

I feel like anyone who's still worried about this movie should listen to this podcast.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/17/st ... ew-podcast