LetMeSleep wrote:With Scotland and NI (both strong Labour footholds) possibly out of the UK equation then England and Wales face a Tory government for decades. And the poorer will only get poorer and the NHS will collapse. There will be greater disparity in housing.
This seems like hysterical catastrophising and, in any case, I very much doubt these things would be less likely under a Labour government than a Conservative one.
It was my (armchair) understanding that much of the concerns that drove Brexit are in some respects related to the unprecedented and essentially uncontrolled increase in immigration that began under Blair.
dimejinky99 wrote:The majority of under 45 voted remain. And the under 25s especially. They've been robbed and betrayed by their own.
But this sums it up hysterically.
1. Worth considering whether with age comes a depth of wisdom unavailable to youth; and
2. I believe support for Remain among younger voters was very high but voter turnout comparatively low.
There's an age /turnout/how they voted graph somewhere. I'll try find it.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:16 pm
by LetMeSleep
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:17 pm
by dimejinky99
Not bad or even racist. Just left to rot economically since thatcher and saying their piece.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:25 pm
by Birds in Hell
Thatcher won three successive election victories and has been out of office for over 25 years now; I'm not saying her government was without its flaws but I think there might be other factors at work here.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:26 pm
by dimejinky99
Nailed it
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:27 pm
by dimejinky99
Birds in Hell wrote:Thatcher won three successive election victories and has been out of office for over 25 years now; I'm not saying her government was without its flaws but I think there might be other factors at work here.
There are but north of London that's the thing. She gutted the north of England. Utterly. And they never ever have recovered nor forgiven or forgotten. Birmingham is britains second biggest city. It's effectively a slum. It's beyond grim.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:29 pm
by McParadigm
1. Worth considering whether with age comes a depth of wisdom unavailable to youth
Horse shit. With age comes experience, which is not remotely the same thing and which does not impart more than what it is. There's certainly no evidence anywhere that I'm aware of suggesting that older voters are any more prone to good decisions (or to being driven by broader insight) than anybody.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:32 pm
by BurtReynolds
Regardless, young people get old and move to the right as they age. The idea that one day all the evil old conservatives are gonna die and be replaced with old liberals is myth.
You goddamn ageist.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:33 pm
by LetMeSleep
Birds in Hell wrote:Thatcher won three successive election victories and has been out of office for over 25 years now; I'm not saying her government was without its flaws but I think there might be other factors at work here.
Absolutely. Blair is not without fault either. The feeling of Thatcher's politics is still very real in the public though. And the successive leaders have done little to quell that (albeit Blair spiked momentarily in the mid 90s).
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:38 pm
by dimejinky99
Spenno how wise are the people in the clip from channel 4 I posted just above yours? Old certainly. Wise?
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:48 pm
by Birds in Hell
I haven't watched it yet.
Presuming where this is going, if they're old idiots, what would that actually prove?
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:49 pm
by LetMeSleep
Birds in Hell wrote:I haven't watched it yet.
Presuming where this is going, if they're old idiots, what would that actually prove?
If anything it proves that WWII is also prevalent in the minds of middle England.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:52 pm
by dimejinky99
Birds in Hell wrote:I haven't watched it yet.
Presuming where this is going, if they're old idiots, what would that actually prove?
They're not idiots. Far from. Poorly educated a few But they're beyond angry and that anger has manifested wrongly in this result. Farage & UKIP tried stirring this pot in the last general election and it didn't work. Then Cameron promised a referendum on EU just to keep his party together and they saw their window and stirred again and here we are.
It's not all Cameron's fault this result but it is directly his fault.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Fri June 24, 2016 11:57 pm
by LetMeSleep
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Sat June 25, 2016 12:01 am
by dimejinky99
Tip of the iceberg of the legal quagmire
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Sat June 25, 2016 12:16 am
by 96583UP
BurtReynolds wrote:
ABNorman wrote:
That is amazing
great guitar tones
can this guy produce PJ's next album?
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Sat June 25, 2016 12:20 am
by BurtReynolds
LetMeSleep wrote:
What is the point of this? I see it everywhere. Yes, old people will die sooner. Should their vote count less because they will die earlier? "lucky" bastards.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Sat June 25, 2016 12:26 am
by Henery Hawk
dimejinky99 wrote:Nailed it
Typical liberal bringing up racism when things didn't go their way
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Sat June 25, 2016 12:27 am
by Birds in Hell
BurtReynolds wrote:
LetMeSleep wrote:
What is the point of this? I see it everywhere. Yes, old people will die sooner. Should their vote count less because they will die earlier? "lucky" bastards.
And as you pointed out earlier, great numbers of those currently young and idealistic voters will probably drift towards more sensible and conservative views over time.
Re: The Brexit
Posted: Sat June 25, 2016 12:35 am
by 96583UP
UK going to have to drop the "U" pretty soon methinks
then it will just be the "K"
but not really certain the "K" works as far as international abbreviations go
can't think of any other sovereign states that have a one-letter abbreviation
