Red Mosquito

Could be Springsteen or townshend

The most likely candidates for induction speech:

01- Chris Cornell
02- Neil Young
03- Pete Townshend
04- Michael Stipe
05- Carrie Brownstein
06- Ben Harper
07- Glen Hansard


My vote would go to Carrie

Would be kinda cool if the person to induct them was not only a fellow artist but also a fan

Spoiler: show

WtOB? wrote:this is crazy that they've included krusen and not abbruzzese. krusen's great, but this is beyond ridiculous. vs sold like a million copies in a week which had abbruzzese on drums, as well as dave a writing credits. what the hell did dave do? it must have been pretty damn bad to be continually ignored for 20 years. i'm not even a big fan of his drumming, in fact he's my least favourite pj drummer, but fuck me this is just cruel. eddie's the one who bitched during the ramones induction about CJ ramone not being inducted. surely the band has the power to invite him.

i also think jack should be included, but dave a's omission seems like they've actually gone out of their way to hurt the dude's feelings.

I agree, I've never really cared about dave a. before but this is making me somewhat more agitated than I thought it would

ridleybradout wrote:

Bammer wrote:

96583UP wrote:the following individuals will be included in the Pearl Jam Rock n Roll Hall of Fame entourage:

-Boom "unnecessary" Gaspar

-Mike's guitar tech (fills in while Mike's shitting)

-Brendan O'Brien (star of future days)

-Ricky Ramone (that clunking sound on Sirens when Ed dropped the un-tuned guitar in his lap in LA)

-Guy in seattle who got the haircut on stage

-Ted DiBiase (lead singer)

the following individuals will not be included in the Pearl Jam Rock n Roll Hall of Fame entourage:

-Dave Abbruzzese

Haircut guy was in Spokane. I know because I was there, and that sack of shit requested Brain Of J, which they scratched Leash for.



PS- Dave A 4 lyfe!!!!

Let me be the first (of many?) to say...














Brain Of J > Leash

Yeah yeah. Saw this coming a mile away.

You may not be wrong but I have never seen Leash live and I really want the Vs. trophy on my stat tracker app, OK!!???!??!!

stip wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:Just hope we get a speech along the lines of

wease is right. That guy is dead. Eddie has cared desperately about stupid shit for a solid decade now. He's gone soft in his old age. It breaks my heart.

I think the R+R HoF does mean something - more than a Grammy. Conceding the fact that there are issues with how RnR is defined, and who gets to vote, and who gets excluded (problems with any hall of fame) the idea of their being an institution that archives and celebrates rock music history, that highlights influence (as opposed to the grammys, which measure a flavor of the month that may or may not stand the test of time) is important. It's also in line with the fact that pearl jam has always been a band that has been steeped in and aware of music history. Not all honors are the same.

I might stop short of calling it important, but I think it's cool. After reading a few articles about it yesterday, what continually strikes me is how they're seen as such a shoo-in for induction over a handful of bands that were already "classic" when PJ hit the scene. When I was growing up, you heard Journey and Steppenwolf on the radio alongside Zeppelin and the Who, and when you're an uncritical kid who just likes rock and roll, those distinctions between bands who are Great and bands who are simply Old aren't as readily apparent -- they were all just the bands who laid the template for the bands of my generation, and carried this assumed air of significance as a result. Sure, as you get older, you get some perspective, and realize that if Pearl Jam are their generation's Who, then Steppenwolf was their generation's Better Than Ezra (or some other minor band that had a few hits that still get trotted out on novelty stations every now and again), but still -- it's something I find hard not to take note of. Furthermore, I've always suspected that my perception of PJ's place in music culture at large was deeply skewed because of how disporportionately they've informed my own listening over the years, so to see it so widely accepted that they belong in this lineage of "classic" bands feels vaguely jarring (certainly more so than it did with Nirvana, who had been exclusively a "legacy" act for 20 years leading up to their induction).

joostone wrote:The most likely candidates for induction speech:

01- Chris Cornell
02- Neil Young
03- Pete Townshend
04- Michael Stipe
05- Carrie Brownstein
06- Ben Harper
07- Glen Hansard


My vote would go to Carrie

I like your last three choices -- I'd much rather hear from someone they've impacted than from guys like Neil Young and Pete Townshend who see Eddie as the son they never had, or someone like Chris Cornell who seems to see not breaking up as PJ's greatest achievement. Apart from the obvious Creeds and Stainds and such, PJ's influence on the bands that came after them is a fairly undocumented portion of their legacy. Perhaps that means that that influence simply doesn't exist, but I'd be curious nonetheless.

Hilarious how the conversation turned to an assumption that Pearl Jam rigged it so they wouldn't include Dave a.


I bet they make a statement or talk about him at the ceremony

what if they thank Boom but not Dave A?


WHAT THEN???!!!!

Kevin Davis wrote:

joostone wrote:The most likely candidates for induction speech:

01- Chris Cornell
02- Neil Young
03- Pete Townshend
04- Michael Stipe
05- Carrie Brownstein
06- Ben Harper
07- Glen Hansard


My vote would go to Carrie

I like your last three choices -- I'd much rather hear from someone they've impacted than from guys like Neil Young and Pete Townshend who see Eddie as the son they never had, or someone like Chris Cornell who seems to see not breaking up as PJ's greatest achievement. Apart from the obvious Creeds and Stainds and such, PJ's influence on the bands that came after them is a fairly undocumented portion of their legacy. Perhaps that means that that influence simply doesn't exist, but I'd be curious nonetheless.

that would be pretty great, actually. Now I'm rooting for Glen just to make Dime happy.

joostone wrote:The most likely candidates for induction speech:

01- Chris Cornell
02- Neil Young
03- Pete Townshend
04- Michael Stipe
05- Carrie Brownstein
06- Ben Harper
07- Glen Hansard


My vote would go to Carrie

Sean Penn
Tim Bierman
Steve Gleason
Obama

I vote for Dave A to induct them

I'd vote for Julian Casablancas to induct. He's a major fan and he's a respected musician. Or, Steve Gleason, which would be super inspiring.

I don't put too much credence in the RnR HOF, I think it's value is only as good as how much it instructs future musicians and fans to take note on who to look to to understand RnR.

As for Dave A and Jack, yeah they both have a more than. valid case to be in there. Dave helped them on their rocket ride up to the top, and Jack helped keep them together. And the "staying together" part is just as crucial in the band's narrative now as getting big in the first place. They are now known as that huge band from the "grunge" days that somehow pulled off staying in tact and kept going. But I'm with Dave here, this is a band that's championed the little guy and the fans and those who have gotten the short end of the stick. They should champion one of their own.

One thing I wonder about with respect to Dave A: Vitalogy is, I believe, the one and only album where the whole band is listed in the songwriting credit (ie "all songs written by Pearl Jam"). Was that some sort of guilt-ridden olive branch to Dave? Like, he gets to join in the publishing royalties? We all know Ed was the point person on Vitalogy, and in many ways could be the closest thing to being the first Ed solo record. Of all albums, why would that one list "all songs written by Pearl Jam"? And frickin Betterman is credited to the whole band? If my crazy theory is true, maybe that's why they don't feel too guilty about the Dave A firing? Like, Ed gave up some Betterman writing credits to the band (and therefore Dave A) cause he felt guilty about how he handled the whole thing. Am I crazy?

stip wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Why Dave A, yes but Jack Irons, maybe?

When I think of Pearl Jam, I think of Dave A. and Matt Cameron. Jack Irons is inside baseball Pearl Jam.

I don't understand what "inside baseball Pearl Jam" means. But, Jack was with the band longer and meant more to the band, not only as an individual but also in their creative growth. Jack Irons is far more "essential" to the band than Dave A. I'm fine leaving both of them out, frankly. But to me, if you were going to include one and not the other then Jack Irons makes far more sense than Dave A.

Only Pearl Jam nerds know about Jack Irons. Regular people know Dave A.
Also, Dave A. was better.

I don't think "regular people" know any of the Pearl Jam drummers. MAYBE Matt.

he was the drummer for the albums that 'mattered' the most.

He didn't drum on Ten

steve gleason would be pretty amazing

theplatypus wrote:

stip wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Why Dave A, yes but Jack Irons, maybe?

When I think of Pearl Jam, I think of Dave A. and Matt Cameron. Jack Irons is inside baseball Pearl Jam.

I don't understand what "inside baseball Pearl Jam" means. But, Jack was with the band longer and meant more to the band, not only as an individual but also in their creative growth. Jack Irons is far more "essential" to the band than Dave A. I'm fine leaving both of them out, frankly. But to me, if you were going to include one and not the other then Jack Irons makes far more sense than Dave A.

Only Pearl Jam nerds know about Jack Irons. Regular people know Dave A.
Also, Dave A. was better.

I don't think "regular people" know any of the Pearl Jam drummers. MAYBE Matt.

he was the drummer for the albums that 'mattered' the most.

He didn't drum on Ten

yeah but krusen is already in

I really hope they don't do that to Steve Gleason.

Tuolumne wrote:I'd vote for Julian Casablancas to induct. He's a major fan and he's a respected musician. Or, Steve Gleason, which would be super inspiring.

I don't put too much credence in the RnR HOF, I think it's value is only as good as how much it instructs future musicians and fans to take note on who to look to to understand RnR.

As for Dave A and Jack, yeah they both have a more than. valid case to be in there. Dave helped them on their rocket ride up to the top, and Jack helped keep them together. And the "staying together" part is just as crucial in the band's narrative now as getting big in the first place. They are now known as that huge band from the "grunge" days that somehow pulled off staying in tact and kept going. But I'm with Dave here, this is a band that's championed the little guy and the fans and those who have gotten the short end of the stick. They should champion one of their own.

One thing I wonder about with respect to Dave A: Vitalogy is, I believe, the one and only album where the whole band is listed in the songwriting credit (ie "all songs written by Pearl Jam"). Was that some sort of guilt-ridden olive branch to Dave? Like, he gets to join in the publishing royalties? We all know Ed was the point person on Vitalogy, and in many ways could be the closest thing to being the first Ed solo record. Of all albums, why would that one list "all songs written by Pearl Jam"? And frickin Betterman is credited to the whole band? If my crazy theory is true, maybe that's why they don't feel too guilty about the Dave A firing? Like, Ed gave up some Betterman writing credits to the band (and therefore Dave A) cause he felt guilty about how he handled the whole thing. Am I crazy?

The music of Vs. is also credited to Pearl Jam so I guess it was how things were done in those days in the PJ camp.

Pretty sure Glen doesn't move in those types of circles but he has been the darling of a certain New York clique for a few years so you never know. I always looked at eds involvement early on as them getting young up and comers to induct people that themselves are in it for the long run and have potential for legacy. But Him doing it sorta jarred with his anti-everything stance at the time whereas now it just makes sense. I always was sure it was a goal of his to get inducted. Oh yeah And the band too