Red Mosquito

cutuphalfdead wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:The right is not all of a sudden actually more in favor of real free speech. Each side is just more anti-the-other-side's-speech than they usually are. see anti-milo on the left and the attempt to pass laws basically criminalizing peaceful protest coming from GOP statehouses

I'd argue making actual laws prohibiting speech and assembly is a much bigger deal than protesting and getting your way.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:The right is not all of a sudden actually more in favor of real free speech. Each side is just more anti-the-other-side's-speech than they usually are. see anti-milo on the left and the attempt to pass laws basically criminalizing peaceful protest coming from GOP statehouses

I'd argue making actual laws prohibiting speech and assembly is a much bigger deal than protesting and getting your way.

digster wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:The right is not all of a sudden actually more in favor of real free speech. Each side is just more anti-the-other-side's-speech than they usually are. see anti-milo on the left and the attempt to pass laws basically criminalizing peaceful protest coming from GOP statehouses

I'd argue making actual laws prohibiting speech and assembly is a much bigger deal than protesting and getting your way.

Well, that's certainly a more direct inhibition of free speech as it's an attempt to limit someone's right to speak by law. The constitutional protection refers to an overbearing government, not private pressure.

tragabigzanda wrote:Why are you talking about that Milo dude? Isn't he yesterday's news already?

BurtReynolds wrote:To be more clear: I'm not just for constitutional protection of free speech. It goes beyond legal protections. I think it's something that should be striven for at all times, especially at universities. And more and more that isn't the case. This is mostly driven by irrational fear and hate, IMO. That doesn't mean I think someone should be able to barge into your home or business and start shouting whatever they want. You have a right to say no, but should you?

"I never learned anything from someone I agreed with" and all that.

And violent action against peaceful speakers/protesters is how you get fascists. Do you want to get fascists? Because that's how you get fascists.

cutuphalfdead wrote:You seem to hold the actions of the anarchist fringe against the entirety of the left.

I don't (maybe a little, but that's just me being troll-y). Though many don't exactly denounce it either. I have criticisms of the broader Left about them not explicitly being anti-free speech, but certainly suppressive of it. And that starts with calling everyone a nazi, racist, sexist, etc. But that's a different argument.

Liberals should be aware that these groups aren't pro-liberal either.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Next time they should direct the violence directly at the White House

BurtReynolds wrote:How many people you think would it take to successfully bum rush the White House? You could probably do it with 500 or so.