Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:See, you're doing it right there. You are saying that the only way that someone can acknowledge history without being a racist is to ALSO believe that we haven't gotten past it and that we have to continue to "deal with it". This is a very common conflation, whether you realize you are doing it or not.

Seems to me like you’re saying that everyone agrees we have a dark history with ramifications

you’re attacking the people who think we should discuss/correct that, while saying it’s perfectly fine to believe it’s over and done with

BurtReynolds wrote:

Seems to me like you’re saying that everyone agrees we have a dark history with ramifications

Yeah basically. I'm saying that most agree that things like past racism and other dark parts of history should be taught, that there are multiple ways of doing that, and that some are more or less destructive than others.

you’re attacking the people who think we should discuss/correct that, while saying it’s perfectly fine to believe it’s over and done with

No, I'm saying that many people think that there is only one logical conclusion to that first point, and they present themselves as the final authority on the matter, and that people who disagree with them don't actually agree with the first point, which is all untrue. I also think that many of them have less than pure motives for doing this.

I'm also saying that they try to smuggle all these hidden assumptions into uncontroversial positions in an attempt to make the positions they really want to promote seem more accepted, and to make themselves seem like the REAL gatekeepers of the original uncontroversial opinion.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Seems to me like you’re saying that everyone agrees we have a dark history with ramifications

Yeah basically. I'm saying that most agree that things like past racism and other dark parts of history should be taught, that there are multiple ways of doing that, and that some are more or less destructive than others.

you’re attacking the people who think we should discuss/correct that, while saying it’s perfectly fine to believe it’s over and done with

No, I'm saying that many people think that there is only one logical conclusion to that first point, and they present themselves as the final authority on the matter, and that people who disagree with them don't actually agree with the first point, which is all untrue. I also think that many of them have less than pure motives for doing this.

I'm also saying that they try to smuggle all these hidden assumptions into uncontroversial positions in an attempt to make the positions they really want to promote seem more accepted, and to make themselves seem like the REAL gatekeepers of the original uncontroversial opinion.

simple schoolboy wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Seems to me like you’re saying that everyone agrees we have a dark history with ramifications

Yeah basically. I'm saying that most agree that things like past racism and other dark parts of history should be taught, that there are multiple ways of doing that, and that some are more or less destructive than others.

you’re attacking the people who think we should discuss/correct that, while saying it’s perfectly fine to believe it’s over and done with

No, I'm saying that many people think that there is only one logical conclusion to that first point, and they present themselves as the final authority on the matter, and that people who disagree with them don't actually agree with the first point, which is all untrue. I also think that many of them have less than pure motives for doing this.

I'm also saying that they try to smuggle all these hidden assumptions into uncontroversial positions in an attempt to make the positions they really want to promote seem more accepted, and to make themselves seem like the REAL gatekeepers of the original uncontroversial opinion.

The Texas Senate on Friday passed legislation that would end requirements that public schools include writings on women’s suffrage and the civil rights movement in social studies classes.

Among the figures whose works would be dropped: Susan B. Anthony, Cesar Chavez, and Martin Luther King Jr., whose “I Have a Dream"speech and “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” would no longer make the curriculum cut.

The bill (S.B. 3), which was passed on a vote of 18 to 4, now is stalled because the House can’t achieve a quorum while a breakaway group of Democrats is out of the state. The special session is set to end on Aug. 6.

It would remove more than two dozen teaching requirements from a new law (H.B 3979) that bars the teaching of critical race theory, an academic framework exploring racism’s shaping of the country.

That law included a list of historic figures, events and documents required for inclusion in social studies classes. The Senate-passed bill would remove most mentions of people of color and women from those requirements, along with a requirement that students be taught about the history of white supremacy and “the ways in which it is morally wrong.”

The measure also would bar the teaching of the 1619 Project— a New York Times initiative exploring U.S. history starting at the date enslaved people arrived in the English colonies.

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R), who presides over the Senate, said in a statement after the vote that “Senate Bill 3 will make certain that critical race philosophies including the debunked 1619 founding myth, are removed from our school curriculums statewide.”

“Parents want their students to learn how to think critically, not be indoctrinated by the ridiculous leftist narrative that America and our Constitution are rooted in racism,” Patrick said.

McParadigm wrote:?

The Texas Senate on Friday passed legislation that would end requirements that public schools include writings on women’s suffrage and the civil rights movement in social studies classes.

Among the figures whose works would be dropped: Susan B. Anthony, Cesar Chavez, and Martin Luther King Jr., whose “I Have a Dream"speech and “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” would no longer make the curriculum cut.

The bill (S.B. 3), which was passed on a vote of 18 to 4, now is stalled because the House can’t achieve a quorum while a breakaway group of Democrats is out of the state. The special session is set to end on Aug. 6.

It would remove more than two dozen teaching requirements from a new law (H.B 3979) that bars the teaching of critical race theory, an academic framework exploring racism’s shaping of the country.

That law included a list of historic figures, events and documents required for inclusion in social studies classes. The Senate-passed bill would remove most mentions of people of color and women from those requirements, along with a requirement that students be taught about the history of white supremacy and “the ways in which it is morally wrong.”

The measure also would bar the teaching of the 1619 Project— a New York Times initiative exploring U.S. history starting at the date enslaved people arrived in the English colonies.

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R), who presides over the Senate, said in a statement after the vote that “Senate Bill 3 will make certain that critical race philosophies including the debunked 1619 founding myth, are removed from our school curriculums statewide.”

“Parents want their students to learn how to think critically, not be indoctrinated by the ridiculous leftist narrative that America and our Constitution are rooted in racism,” Patrick said.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/social-ju ... vil-rights

“What we’re doing with this bill, we’re saying that specific reading list doesn’t belong in statute,” said the bill’s author, state Sen. Bryan Hughes (R).

Instead, such requirements should be in the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, or TEKS,standards developed by the State Board of Education, he said.

C) identify the accomplishments and contributions of individuals and groups such as Susan B. Anthony, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Cesar Chavez, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, the Tuskegee Airmen, and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team in the areas of civil rights, women's rights, military actions, and politics.

Bi_3 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:?

The Texas Senate on Friday passed legislation that would end requirements that public schools include writings on women’s suffrage and the civil rights movement in social studies classes.

Among the figures whose works would be dropped: Susan B. Anthony, Cesar Chavez, and Martin Luther King Jr., whose “I Have a Dream"speech and “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” would no longer make the curriculum cut.

The bill (S.B. 3), which was passed on a vote of 18 to 4, now is stalled because the House can’t achieve a quorum while a breakaway group of Democrats is out of the state. The special session is set to end on Aug. 6.

It would remove more than two dozen teaching requirements from a new law (H.B 3979) that bars the teaching of critical race theory, an academic framework exploring racism’s shaping of the country.

That law included a list of historic figures, events and documents required for inclusion in social studies classes. The Senate-passed bill would remove most mentions of people of color and women from those requirements, along with a requirement that students be taught about the history of white supremacy and “the ways in which it is morally wrong.”

The measure also would bar the teaching of the 1619 Project— a New York Times initiative exploring U.S. history starting at the date enslaved people arrived in the English colonies.

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R), who presides over the Senate, said in a statement after the vote that “Senate Bill 3 will make certain that critical race philosophies including the debunked 1619 founding myth, are removed from our school curriculums statewide.”

“Parents want their students to learn how to think critically, not be indoctrinated by the ridiculous leftist narrative that America and our Constitution are rooted in racism,” Patrick said.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/social-ju ... vil-rights

“What we’re doing with this bill, we’re saying that specific reading list doesn’t belong in statute,” said the bill’s author, state Sen. Bryan Hughes (R).

Instead, such requirements should be in the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, or TEKS,standards developed by the State Board of Education, he said.

Anthony, MLK, and Chavez are still required topics, they just moved the location of the requirements:

https://texreg.sos.state.tx.us/public/r ... =113&rl=16

C) identify the accomplishments and contributions of individuals and groups such as Susan B. Anthony, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Cesar Chavez, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, the Tuskegee Airmen, and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team in the areas of civil rights, women's rights, military actions, and politics.

McParadigm wrote: I’m not sure I follow.

The link you provided is to the state EA’s current Social Studies administration code. Those documents are the education agency’s codification of curricular regulations adopted by state government. If this bill is passed making changes to the curricular requirements, the agency will conduct a review…adjusting the code so that the Social Studied curriculum meets with current law.

This, meanwhile, is the principle section of the state curricular requirements list that the bill would excise.

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