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durdencommatyler wrote:More from my guy on the inside:

• Some crew initially heard J.J. Abrams was supervising the reshoots.
• Gareth Edwards is doing the reshoots himself but with a partner, Christopher McQuarrie.
• Christopher McQuarrie, the final writer on Rogue One will be working extensively with Edwards on set to make sure they’re on the “same page” with the most recent draft of the film.
• Christopher McQuarrie’s draft of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story was considered superior to the film they shot previously.
• It was not Edwards’ fault as McQuarrie’s draft wasn’t completed when much of the film was shot and revisions kept coming in that made the film feel uneven.
• 32 sets have been recreated for the reshoot.
• The crew expects they are reshooting 40% of the film.
• They are working 6 days a week for 8 weeks.

When the movie began filming there was a lot of talk that the budget had been greatly reduced slightly before shooting meaning, more CGI would be needed. Now it looks like the movie is going to cost what it was supposed to cost from the start. The quality of the film wasn’t bad, it just needs to be better and all involved are happy to make that happen.

Simple Torture wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:More from my guy on the inside:

• Some crew initially heard J.J. Abrams was supervising the reshoots.
• Gareth Edwards is doing the reshoots himself but with a partner, Christopher McQuarrie.
• Christopher McQuarrie, the final writer on Rogue One will be working extensively with Edwards on set to make sure they’re on the “same page” with the most recent draft of the film.
• Christopher McQuarrie’s draft of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story was considered superior to the film they shot previously.
• It was not Edwards’ fault as McQuarrie’s draft wasn’t completed when much of the film was shot and revisions kept coming in that made the film feel uneven.
• 32 sets have been recreated for the reshoot.
• The crew expects they are reshooting 40% of the film.
• They are working 6 days a week for 8 weeks.

When the movie began filming there was a lot of talk that the budget had been greatly reduced slightly before shooting meaning, more CGI would be needed. Now it looks like the movie is going to cost what it was supposed to cost from the start. The quality of the film wasn’t bad, it just needs to be better and all involved are happy to make that happen.

Did your guy leak the same information to Making Star Wars? Because they posted the same list: http://makingstarwars.net/2016/06/how-e ... shoots-be/

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Here’s what’s happening with Rogue One:

Over the past week, numerous stories have emerged about reshoots on the first of the Star Wars stand-alone films, and fans have become as nervous and jittery as C-3PO at a Star Trek convention. After reaching out to deeply placed sources on the movie and at Lucasfilm to sort fact from fiction, Entertainment Weekly has learned new details about the state of the project – including who’s working on the new sequences and what those scenes involve. Here’s what’s true: The film, which is about Rebels stealing the plans for the first Death Star just before the events of 1977’s original Star Wars, is undergoing four to five weeks of reshoots, beginning this month and ending just days before the Star Wars Celebration fan event in London on July 15.

High level sources at Lucasfilm, who spoke to EW independently and anonymously, offered some details that place the schedule in context. (Official studio sources declined comment, saying they don’t respond to rumors.) In what may reassure fans, reshoots were scheduled for the film before even a single scene was shot. It’s standard practice now for large-scale films to build in additional weeks of shooting so filmmakers can tweak a movie after the first assembly cut. Those reshoots were originally planned for the spring, but were bumped to mid-summer to allow for extra time as director Gareth Edwards and the creative team decided what they wanted to alter. “The changes have everything to do with clarity and character development and all take place [as inserts] within scenes we’ve already shot,” said one source on the project.

In other words, the changes involve more intimate moments – not redoing entire battle sequences or plot lines. “It’s a lot of talking in cockpits,” as one insider described the new footage. The plan now is to lock picture in mid-August and begin scoring the movie in September – which would actually be an earlier timeline than The Force Awakens, which also underwent several weeks of summer reshoots and locked picture in October.

The rumor that almost half the movie is being reshot elicits both laughter and groans from those closest to the film. While it might seem like spin-control from those working on the film, their logic bears out: “If we were rewriting the movie and reshooting 40 percent of movie, we would not be finishing in August,” a source on the production says. “People really would be panicking – and changing the release date.” The length of the reshoots adds up because it involves separate contributions from many different actors. Rogue One is an ensemble story with seven major characters, including the outlaw Jyn Erso (played by Felicity Jones), and her team of Rebel infiltrators played by Diego Luna, Donnie Yen, Alan Tudyk (as a performance capture droid), Riz Ahmed, Forest Whitaker, and Wen Jiang. Ben Mendelsohn costars as an Imperial officer, and Mads Mikkelson has said he plays Jyn’s father.

A source familiar with the reshoots said one of the challenges has been reuniting the cast, many of whom are involved in other movies after the pre-planned reshoots were shifted from the spring to summer. “It is a complicated schedule trying to pull people in around other things they’re doing,” the source says. “And this cast is spread out all over the world.”

Rumors that Christopher McQuarrie, best known for writing the Oscar-winning script for The Usual Suspects and writing and directing Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation, has written a new script and will be involved in co-directing the reshoots are false. McQuarrie did make contributions to an earlier draft of the script, sources confirm. But that’s the extent of his work on Rogue One. As rumors about his involvement in the Star Wars film began to spread yesterday, McQuarrie himself took to Twitter to deny them. But EW’s reporting has uncovered a new collaborator on Rogue One: Tony Gilroy, the writer-director of Michael Clayton. He was brought aboard the project in the spring to offer notes on the first cut and write some additional material to enhance the story.

Gilroy has deep ties to the Rogue One team. He also worked on the screenplays for many of the Bourne films and even directed 2012’s The Bourne Legacy, which were all produced by Frank Marshall, the husband of Kathleen Kennedy, who is the president of Lucasfilm. One source says he’s trusted by Kennedy and the story team, and has even been recruited to consult on other Star Wars projects. In addition to his Kennedy-Marshall history, Gilroy has worked before with Rogue One director Edwards, having done similar uncredited work on the filmmaker’s previous movie, 2014’s Godzilla, to strengthen the story before release. In addition to writing new dialogue for the reshoots, Gilroy will assist Edwards as a second unit director when cameras start rolling again.

A GRITTIER TONE

Fears that the heavy-duty war movie is being watered down into a lighthearted caper are unfounded, according to what EW has learned. “The movie is very different than [The Force Awakens], and that’s intentional,” one source says. “It’s a war film.” Rumors that Disney executives have forced the changes to make the movie more family friendly are also false. According to EW’s sources, there have been no test screenings, and it’s unlikely there ever will be on a Star Wars film. The only two individuals outside of Lucasfilm who have seen Rogue One at this point are Disney CEO and Chairman Bob Iger and studio chief Alan Horn. One source close to the film said rather than feeling like Disney brass was meddling, the filmmakers were just happy the corporate bosses let them alter the schedule and make the changes they wanted. “This is a normal part of our filmmaking process,” that source said. “We’re working and tweaking and making sure it’s right. This is how you build something in layers.”

But there’s no question: the rumors have freaked out fans. In addition to alarming the audience, this week’s ;gossip – fueled by a report in the New York Post – has also frustrated the filmmaking team, who are starting to learn the massive enthusiasm for Star Wars can be a double-edged sword. The passion is over-the-top, but so is the scrutiny. “I can’t think of anything in world of creativity [that isn’t changed or reworked,]” one source said. “You need to do that when making these movies.”

One source asked that the Star Wars community give them the benefit of the doubt until the Celebration event in July, when some of what they’ve been working on with Rogue One will be unveiled: “People will go insane.”

LetMeSleep wrote:All sounds feasible there.

This is going to be great.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Jesus Christ I hate fans

McParadigm wrote:but understood little of what drew many of the more passionate fans to the property.

McParadigm wrote:To go back to durd's Star Trek example, lasting negative fan reaction to the reboot has been significantly higher than most adapted properties, because JJ captured a lot of what casual viewers liked (these guys are in space, these two develop a bromance, this one grumbles a lot and pew pew pew), and abandoned a lot of what most everybody was happy to lose (dated feel and the too-restrictive production bible), but understood little of what drew many of the more passionate fans to the property.

durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?

bada wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?

Well prob have the answer based on the performance of Beyond.

durdencommatyler wrote:Could bet that I'm just good at ignoring all the negativity because I liked the new Trek films. But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?

I think what you're saying about hierarchical qualities is what dime was talking about. I think it's totally in line with what he was saying.

durdencommatyler wrote:

bada wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?

Well prob have the answer based on the performance of Beyond.

Perhaps. But there are plenty of hardcore fans that dislike a lot of the movies. I don't see many hardcore fans singing Insurrection's praises, for example. And that was basically an epic episode. Or the original movie. Plenty of "true fans" are lukewarm at best on that one.

McParadigm wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Could bet that I'm just good at ignoring all the negativity because I liked the new Trek films. But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?

There's quite a bit. In fact, it's so easy to find for yourself, I'll only touch on the tiniest fraction of the most surfacy surface and link this: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/a ... oted-worst

Fan groups tend to trend towards having shared quality hierarchies...it's a part of how they form a community around the property...but it isn't universal. I would argue that your Star Trek appreciation is structured and focused different from the majority of fans...you are drawn to a different set of primary qualities...which gives you a different perspective on the franchise (cool!) but also makes you a little blind to a lot of what they are thinking.

The difference is in how the two concepts are used to interpret events. Dime's "fan ownership" approach could be used to dismiss negative response to any new Star Wars film, because the new film by definition introduces some amount of change. Recognizing that people really tend to have only a core set of properties they REQUIRE in order to continue their appreciation makes it clear that misplaced fandom is probably not responsible for something like the Rogue drama.

bada wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

bada wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?

Well prob have the answer based on the performance of Beyond.

Perhaps. But there are plenty of hardcore fans that dislike a lot of the movies. I don't see many hardcore fans singing Insurrection's praises, for example. And that was basically an epic episode. Or the original movie. Plenty of "true fans" are lukewarm at best on that one.

Right but those later TNG movies effectively killed the franchise. Even the hardcore fans weren't showing up. Its never been cool to like Star Trek and its one of the few geek properties that still isn't cool. They need those people and the last Trek really alienated them.