Red Mosquito

Jaeti wrote:An EPK of this thread would still be 100 pages long.

Thejambi wrote:This thread needs some producing .

EJ wrote:

nomorecrackpipes wrote:Fact:

I'd rather have BoB play piano on a PJ record than Boom, but I'd rather have any other guy in the band play the piano over BoB.

Yep. Ed can play some basic piano. Love his work on Rival. I really don't like the light, airy plonky-plonk BoB has done with them.

harmless wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Strat wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Strat wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Strat wrote:I dont like how PJ feel they need to be relevant. Neil young doesnt give a shit. he puts out music as he does and every so often, it will strike a nerve in the media/music listening public. Makes for a far more interesting career. Seems as though BOB is all about "hey man, need a hit to stay relevant, he he he!!"

And most depressing about all that is PJ are in agreement with him.

Sad Face.

There is a reason Binaural is top shelf

I think the Neil Young comparison here is irrelevant and misplaced. He's a SOLO artist. Totally different beast. He can go from Crazy Horse, to Daniel Lanois, to his wife Peggy, to CSN, etc.

A better comparison would be to find a GROUP that's had a 20 plus year career. Also, a group that's had signficant commercial success (where the benchmark of appealing to mass/cult audiences are different). That would be comparable.

If you still really want to compare them to Neil Young, I'd look at the band members individually, and if you look at say, Ed. and combine his PJ output that he wrote himself with ITW and Uke songs, you'd have a fairer comparison to Neil. Solo artists are completely different animals. Apples and oranges.

Not at all. Neil had massive success with Crazy Horse multiple times. Whats your point? As a group they could all collectively agree on having a career "like a solo artist" as you put it.

PJ are trying to stay relevant and make music so they can still fill arenas. That does not make for as interesting of a career.

Yeah, go ahead and compare Neil WITH Crazy Horse. Do it. Then you have a band with a distinctive "sloppy" style. And you'd also have decades-long gaps and which he went off into various cool or awful tangents, BY HIMSELF. My point is that it's apples and oranges. Like comparing a space shuttle with a jet ski. Groups are their own thing with their own pros and cons.

LOL, what?

If you can't understand the difference between a solo artist and a group, I can't help you. My awkward attempt and explaining it to you aside. LOL DUDE!

This isn't about the differences between a solo artist and a band. It's about the differences between the choices a solo artist might make, and the choices a band might make. And apart from the relative difficulty of a band making a unanimous choice about anything, there really is no difference. Both band and solo artist could choose to do whatever they chose, which honoured the integrity of their artistic drives, or to outsource everything because of a need to make it palatable and "commercial" to some imagined new demographic. In PJ's case, these two things might not be mutually exclusive, though, which is why nobody will ever win this argument.

harmless wrote:Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

harmless wrote:Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

im afraid to look at how many days are left, its too far away still

harmless wrote:Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

theplatypus wrote:

harmless wrote:Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

Your moment of reckoning

taffer wrote:

EJ wrote:

nomorecrackpipes wrote:Fact:

I'd rather have BoB play piano on a PJ record than Boom, but I'd rather have any other guy in the band play the piano over BoB.

Yep. Ed can play some basic piano. Love his work on Rival. I really don't like the light, airy plonky-plonk BoB has done with them.

How'd you know its Ed? I thought it is Mitchel Froom or whatever thats guy's name

Basically i would happy without any of keyboards/organs, leave em to solo efforts

Tuolumne wrote:For those that hate Future Days or Just Breathe: how would you have reacted if you had heard Betterman or Small Town again for the first time?

digster wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:For those that hate Future Days or Just Breathe: how would you have reacted if you had heard Betterman or Small Town again for the first time?

Fine...they're much better songs.

Tuolumne wrote:

Strat wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:

Strat wrote:I dont like how PJ feel they need to be relevant. Neil young doesnt give a shit. he puts out music as he does and every so often, it will strike a nerve in the media/music listening public. Makes for a far more interesting career. Seems as though BOB is all about "hey man, need a hit to stay relevant, he he he!!"

And most depressing about all that is PJ are in agreement with him.

Sad Face.

There is a reason Binaural is top shelf

I think the Neil Young comparison here is irrelevant and misplaced. He's a SOLO artist. Totally different beast. He can go from Crazy Horse, to Daniel Lanois, to his wife Peggy, to CSN, etc.

A better comparison would be to find a GROUP that's had a 20 plus year career. Also, a group that's had signficant commercial success (where the benchmark of appealing to mass/cult audiences are different). That would be comparable.

If you still really want to compare them to Neil Young, I'd look at the band members individually, and if you look at say, Ed. and combine his PJ output that he wrote himself with ITW and Uke songs, you'd have a fairer comparison to Neil. Solo artists are completely different animals. Apples and oranges.

Not at all. Neil had massive success with Crazy Horse multiple times. Whats your point? As a group they could all collectively agree on having a career "like a solo artist" as you put it.

PJ are trying to stay relevant and make music so they can still fill arenas. That does not make for as interesting of a career.

Yeah, go ahead and compare Neil WITH Crazy Horse. Do it. Then you have a band with a distinctive "sloppy" style. And you'd also have decades-long gaps and which he went off into various cool or awful tangents, BY HIMSELF. My point is that it's apples and oranges. Like comparing a space shuttle with a jet ski. Groups are their own thing with their own pros and cons.

stip wrote: Today is a good day for the album to leak. Someone get on that.

Chris_H_2 wrote:I feel pretty confident that had BOB produced Binaural, songs such as Sad, Fatal, Education, or In the Moonlight wouldn't have been left off the album.

theplatypus wrote:

digster wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:For those that hate Future Days or Just Breathe: how would you have reacted if you had heard Betterman or Small Town again for the first time?

Fine...they're much better songs.

Yeah, I see where you're going with that Tuolumne, but I think those songs are pretty different. A better comparison (in terms of style) would be "Thumbing My Way" or "Man of the Hour", both of which I think are so much better than either FD or JB.