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Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Wed July 31, 2024 7:34 pm
by simple schoolboy
Chris_H_2 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:Chris_H_2 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:Chris_H_2 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:
Seems prudent, and I'm curious how these decisions get made. Do the airlines get pinged by their insurance carrier/ in-house actuary?
they usually get "notices" from the state department. their carriers have no say whatsoever (other than when it comes time to contest a claim or negotiate a policy extension).
NOTAMs would apply to all carriers. Why would something triggered by the state department not result in FAA (or their international partners) just closing the entire airspace?
wait, what are we talking about? i interpreted your question as whether a carrier can dictate to its insured how it operates. is that not what you were asking?
On how they decide when to cancel flights on the edge cases when they aren't technically prohibited to use the airspace (FAA NOTAMs), and other carriers are still operating in the area.
Per your above, State Department can issue prohibitions with similar weight, but that only apply to domestic carriers. Seems strange to do that without looping in the FAA and their partner organizations.
your first question mentioned "insurance carrier." your follow-up refer to airline carriers.
Yes, and you indicated it's just state department. When announcements are made it appears to be airline carrier by airline carrier, so I assumed some private entity (be it airline, insurance, whoever) was making independent decisions. If it's a state department thing then as you say, insurance has nothing to do with it.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Wed July 31, 2024 7:54 pm
by Chris_H_2
simple schoolboy wrote:Chris_H_2 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:Chris_H_2 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:Chris_H_2 wrote:simple schoolboy wrote:
Seems prudent, and I'm curious how these decisions get made. Do the airlines get pinged by their insurance carrier/ in-house actuary?
they usually get "notices" from the state department. their carriers have no say whatsoever (other than when it comes time to contest a claim or negotiate a policy extension).
NOTAMs would apply to all carriers. Why would something triggered by the state department not result in FAA (or their international partners) just closing the entire airspace?
wait, what are we talking about? i interpreted your question as whether a carrier can dictate to its insured how it operates. is that not what you were asking?
On how they decide when to cancel flights on the edge cases when they aren't technically prohibited to use the airspace (FAA NOTAMs), and other carriers are still operating in the area.
Per your above, State Department can issue prohibitions with similar weight, but that only apply to domestic carriers. Seems strange to do that without looping in the FAA and their partner organizations.
your first question mentioned "insurance carrier." your follow-up refer to airline carriers.
Yes, and you indicated it's just state department. When announcements are made it appears to be airline carrier by airline carrier, so I assumed some private entity (be it airline, insurance, whoever) was making independent decisions. If it's a state department thing then as you say, insurance has nothing to do with it.
it's not a state department mandate unless it is restricting international airspace because of a theatre of war. it's more like a travel advisory, and the carriers do whatever calculus they do based on the information conveyed. but insurers definitely have no right to dictate to the airlines -- that can create liability for them or obligations that are otherwise not theirs.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Wed July 31, 2024 10:52 pm
by Bi_3
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 12:53 am
by Bi_3
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 1:42 am
by BurtReynolds
Is this gonna be another one of those scheduled retaliatory attacks where they tell Israel ahead of time so no one actually gets hurt?
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 1:57 am
by BurtReynolds
What was the story here?
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 8:44 am
by Anders
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 8:46 am
by Anders
No reports about Yahya Sinwar, who appears to still be alive.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 10:28 am
by dimejinky99
not seeing that on the news.. of course IDF troops do no wrong ever..most moral army in the world..
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 11:00 am
by Bi_3
dimejinky99 wrote:not seeing that on the news.. of course IDF troops do no wrong ever..most moral army in the world..
Probably something to think about
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 11:32 am
by Anders
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 12:04 pm
by dimejinky99
Thanks for that Anders. It hasnt been reported here at all, and our media are usually on point when it comes to this genocide and all aspects of it.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 3:24 pm
by simple schoolboy
Anders wrote:It was the leader of Hamas.
Earlier speculation about a long range airstrike is not correct. They planted a bomb in the residence he was staying at ahead of time. This is consistent with their long campaign of blowing up Iranian nuclear scientists with bombs planted on their vehicles, etc. They clearly still have people on the ground in Tehran.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 4:29 pm
by Stickman
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 10:16 pm
by spike
Bi_3 wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:not seeing that on the news.. of course IDF troops do no wrong ever..most moral army in the world..
Probably something to think about
How do you come to understand the full picture so well, while the rest of us are mostly in the dark being so reliant on the heavily edited media?
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Thu August 01, 2024 11:56 pm
by Bi_3
spike wrote:Bi_3 wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:not seeing that on the news.. of course IDF troops do no wrong ever..most moral army in the world..
Probably something to think about
How do you come to understand the full picture so well, while the rest of us are mostly in the dark being so reliant on the heavily edited media?
Because you start with "who has less relative power" instead of "who benefits"
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Fri August 02, 2024 12:07 am
by spike
Bi_3 wrote:spike wrote:Bi_3 wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:not seeing that on the news.. of course IDF troops do no wrong ever..most moral army in the world..
Probably something to think about
How do you come to understand the full picture so well, while the rest of us are mostly in the dark being so reliant on the heavily edited media?
Because you start with "who has less relative power" instead of "who benefits"
Okay, but how do you come to your conclusions about what’s REALLY happening?
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Fri August 02, 2024 5:27 pm
by Stickman
Gee, I wonder who are the Israelis and who are the Palestinians in this
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Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Fri August 02, 2024 5:35 pm
by dimejinky99
He's hasbara...here to derail and deny all of israels wrongs or blamr them on hamas and well those innocent people shouldnt have been hanging out with hamas or hiding in that building where they live we had to bomb it etc etc
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Fri August 02, 2024 10:38 pm
by dimejinky99
Israelis now can’t get out of Israel. All the main carriers have cancelled from tel aviv and the airport closed? Ironic. And they’re blaming an order from Netenyahu for that?
Does anyone know what’s really happening there?