Hasn't the MAGA crowd gone back to calling this the Trump vaccine?E.H. Ruddock wrote:I wonder if Trump had been reelected would the vaccination rates be higher? Early on he was setting himself up to say he and he alone got the vaccines done and approved in record time. Once he lost the election, though, he stopped talking about it. Would all the pro-Trump people have gotten it had he continued his gloating about it? Also, would all the liberals then have been the ones not to trust the vaccine?
I'd also be interested to see how the vaccine numbers would change if he just came out right now publicly and said all his supporters should get it so they can be alive to vote for him in 2024.
Interesting thought, but I’d say no. If Trump had actually continued to promote the vaccine, they would have turned on him. It’s never been about him; it’s about what he enables. He didn’t create the ideology, just tapped into it.E.H. Ruddock wrote:I wonder if Trump had been reelected would the vaccination rates be higher? Early on he was setting himself up to say he and he alone got the vaccines done and approved in record time. Once he lost the election, though, he stopped talking about it. Would all the pro-Trump people have gotten it had he continued his gloating about it? Also, would all the liberals then have been the ones not to trust the vaccine?
I'd also be interested to see how the vaccine numbers would change if he just came out right now publicly and said all his supporters should get it so they can be alive to vote for him in 2024.
I have pondered the same thing recently, and it's discomforting to think that the answer could be yes.E.H. Ruddock wrote:I wonder if Trump had been reelected would the vaccination rates be higher? Early on he was setting himself up to say he and he alone got the vaccines done and approved in record time. Once he lost the election, though, he stopped talking about it. Would all the pro-Trump people have gotten it had he continued his gloating about it? Also, would all the liberals then have been the ones not to trust the vaccine?
I'd also be interested to see how the vaccine numbers would change if he just came out right now publicly and said all his supporters should get it so they can be alive to vote for him in 2024.
If he won, those that delayed the stage 3 trial data from being released might have continued to attack the vaccines.Green Habit wrote:I have pondered the same thing recently, and it's discomforting to think that the answer could be yes.E.H. Ruddock wrote:I wonder if Trump had been reelected would the vaccination rates be higher? Early on he was setting himself up to say he and he alone got the vaccines done and approved in record time. Once he lost the election, though, he stopped talking about it. Would all the pro-Trump people have gotten it had he continued his gloating about it? Also, would all the liberals then have been the ones not to trust the vaccine?
I'd also be interested to see how the vaccine numbers would change if he just came out right now publicly and said all his supporters should get it so they can be alive to vote for him in 2024.
Bi_3 wrote:When should we? March 2022. When will we? May 2021.Anders wrote:When do you think we will stop wearing masks?
The south’s gonna do it again!McParadigm wrote:
Both interesting takes.spike wrote:Interesting thought, but I’d say no. If Trump had actually continued to promote the vaccine, they would have turned on him. It’s never been about him; it’s about what he enables. He didn’t create the ideology, just tapped into it.E.H. Ruddock wrote:I wonder if Trump had been reelected would the vaccination rates be higher? Early on he was setting himself up to say he and he alone got the vaccines done and approved in record time. Once he lost the election, though, he stopped talking about it. Would all the pro-Trump people have gotten it had he continued his gloating about it? Also, would all the liberals then have been the ones not to trust the vaccine?
I'd also be interested to see how the vaccine numbers would change if he just came out right now publicly and said all his supporters should get it so they can be alive to vote for him in 2024.
Absolutely.Bammer wrote:Both interesting takes.spike wrote:Interesting thought, but I’d say no. If Trump had actually continued to promote the vaccine, they would have turned on him. It’s never been about him; it’s about what he enables. He didn’t create the ideology, just tapped into it.E.H. Ruddock wrote:I wonder if Trump had been reelected would the vaccination rates be higher? Early on he was setting himself up to say he and he alone got the vaccines done and approved in record time. Once he lost the election, though, he stopped talking about it. Would all the pro-Trump people have gotten it had he continued his gloating about it? Also, would all the liberals then have been the ones not to trust the vaccine?
I'd also be interested to see how the vaccine numbers would change if he just came out right now publicly and said all his supporters should get it so they can be alive to vote for him in 2024.
I heard something briefly about this on the radio yesterday. Something about a Kamala Harris quote … “I’ll never take Trump’s vaccine” (I’m sure that’s not an exact quote but the point is, yes, the swath of people resisting the vax may very well trend blue rather than red had he been re-elected)
But yeah there are probably tons of Orange Culters who have decided they are anti-vax but would get the shot today if Drumpf tweeted that they should.
This is where I am at.spike wrote:Interesting thought, but I’d say no. If Trump had actually continued to promote the vaccine, they would have turned on him. It’s never been about him; it’s about what he enables. He didn’t create the ideology, just tapped into it.
I don’t think there’s any reason to believe this would be the case.Bammer wrote:I heard something briefly about this on the radio yesterday. Something about a Kamala Harris quote … “I’ll never take Trump’s vaccine” (I’m sure that’s not an exact quote but the point is, yes, the swath of people resisting the vax may very well trend blue rather than red had he been re-elected)
In September, President Trump wrote:We’ll be able to distribute at least 100 million vaccine doses by the end of 2020.
The next day, President Trump wrote:It’ll be delivered, the vaccine, before the end of the year and, frankly, maybe even during the month of October.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield on Wednesday stood by his timeline for a potential COVID-19 vaccine, despite criticism from President Donald Trump who said the top public health official was mistaken when he said a vaccine would not be available to all Americans immediately later this fall.
Redfield and other officials, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, have said that while "Operation Warp Speed" is facilitating the production of millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccines undergoing clinical trials, it will likely until next year for those doses to be distributed and available to the majority of Americans.
He was talking about pushing a vaccine out in October….in early September. It cratered perception of vaccine safety among EVERY group. By the end of the month, only about 1 in 5 Americans said they would “definitely” get vaccinated if the vaccine was available today. And the numbers took some time to fully recover.Later that week, President Trump wrote:We're going to have a vaccine in a matter of weeks, it could be four weeks, it could be eight weeks
In a broader sense, racism. That’s what’s deeply ingrained.McParadigm wrote:The tail wags the dog, and the insular conspiracy theory-driven universe that half of Republicans live inside runs on a distrust of public health care efforts, government programs, and (quite frankly) anything that city dwellers are doing. These are old and deeply engrained grievances.