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Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:32 pm
by igotworms
Ms Harmless wrote:I really cringe at "hoping that I hurt your fist"; what does that even mean? is he going to like, break her fist when she goes to hold his hand? is he going to "accidentally on purpose" hit her fist with a hammer while doing the DIY? is he going to block one of her punches and send it right back? such an awkward lyric because I can't imagine it
I'm totally reading that as when a guy whose all beat up says "yeah but you should see the OTHER GUY"

The preceding lines are about his eyes being swollen, his face broken, so she's obviously beaten the shit out of him and he's hoping that she's hurt herself in the process. Pitiful passive-aggressive stuff from a self-pitying asshole. Good lyric IMO.

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:32 pm
by stip
Thejambi wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:I really cringe at "hoping that I hurt your fist"; what does that even mean? is he going to like, break her fist when she goes to hold his hand? is he going to "accidentally on purpose" hit her fist with a hammer while doing the DIY? is he going to block one of her punches and send it right back? such an awkward lyric because I can't imagine it
“ Both my eyes are swollen
my face is broken
And I'm hopin that I hurt your
hopin that I hurt your
hopin that I hurt your fist”

He has been beaten (mentally or physically) and he is hoping that he/she feels some pain from it.
this

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:33 pm
by Clint72
I don't mind it.

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:34 pm
by Ms Harmless
stip wrote:I love that lyric - I read it all metaphorically. he feels bruised and battered by being abandoned, and he hopes that she feels at least some of the pain she caused. that in beating me up i hope your fist at least is sore
hmm that makes sense, so it's about karma in a way

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:35 pm
by Ms Harmless
stip wrote:
Thejambi wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:I really cringe at "hoping that I hurt your fist"; what does that even mean? is he going to like, break her fist when she goes to hold his hand? is he going to "accidentally on purpose" hit her fist with a hammer while doing the DIY? is he going to block one of her punches and send it right back? such an awkward lyric because I can't imagine it
“ Both my eyes are swollen
my face is broken
And I'm hopin that I hurt your
hopin that I hurt your
hopin that I hurt your fist”

He has been beaten (mentally or physically) and he is hoping that he/she feels some pain from it.
this
ah yes! so you really need that context, because it describes her "punches"

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:36 pm
by igotworms
Great review by the way, Stip. Captures my feelings 100%. Well, 95% as I don't agree that Backspacer is underrated....

Very much enjoying SBWM now. 4/5 at this present moment. Quite a turnaround from thinking it was a total piece of garbage when I first heard it at 6AM yesterday morning.

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:39 pm
by Anders
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:Superblood Wolfmoon is a far better song than Mind Your Manners.
Not true! Mind Your Manners is a masterpiece
Any opinion on such a matter is fair, but I certainly don't agree.

RM ranked it 8th out of 23 Backscaper and Lightning Bolt songs. Personally I think it's in the bottom half of songs from the past two albums.

Superblood Wolfmoon however, is one of the best songs they have released in the past 12 years.

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:40 pm
by Ms Harmless
igotworms wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:I really cringe at "hoping that I hurt your fist"; what does that even mean? is he going to like, break her fist when she goes to hold his hand? is he going to "accidentally on purpose" hit her fist with a hammer while doing the DIY? is he going to block one of her punches and send it right back? such an awkward lyric because I can't imagine it
I'm totally reading that as when a guy whose all beat up says "yeah but you should see the OTHER GUY"

The preceding lines are about his eyes being swollen, his face broken, so she's obviously beaten the shit out of him and he's hoping that she's hurt herself in the process. Pitiful passive-aggressive stuff from a self-pitying asshole. Good lyric IMO.
thinking about it, this song might be one where the slightly stereotypical no frills "straight ahead rock" with an 80s hair solo actually serves the gender politics of the song

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:41 pm
by oasisfan35
stip wrote:My TSIS review:
For a simple song (although it’s a deceptive simplicity) Superblood Wolfmoon (SBWM) posses some odd challenges as a second single – and the first ‘traditional single’ far more akin to the typical Pearl Jam song than the surprising and magnificent Dance of the Clairvoyants. It’s not Pearl Jam by numbers, but it is Pearl Jam with much stronger catalog roots. If you placed SBWM in the center of a Venn diagram of Pearl Jam songs you can find overlap with a whole array of songs dating back to No Code. Mankind, Don’t Gimmie No Lip, Habit, Leatherman, U, All Night, Black Red Yellow, Gods Dice, Get Right, Green Disease, Big Wave, Supersonic, Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Let the Records Play, Again Today – for a number of reasons Johnny Guitar is probably its closest parallel (and it does feel like a song that could nestle comfortably into Backspacer), but whether it is the playful tone, the propulsive rush, or the higher register, this is well traveled territory. We immediately think we know what this song is.

The problem is that none of the songs mentioned above are singles, or intended to be singles . These are the Pearl Jam b-sides, or the album tracks that feel like b-sides. Not a comment on their quality, per se – I do love a few songs on that list above – but they usually feel light and disposable. And even though I just rattled off 16 songs, they’ve always felt like outliers in the catalog. A lighter moment that the band is entitled to, but shouldn’t be taking up album real estate. Palette cleansers, or attempts at having ‘fun’ for a band who, with the exception of the criminally underrated Backspacer, can even make fun sound like serious business. And while there are a number of good songs on that list above, it is hardly a murderer’s row of greatest hits.

So it was hard on first listen not be at least somewhat deflated by Superblood Wolfmoon. Why would they release their fun ‘filler’ song as the first real hard driving declaration of intent (especially when it has been made clear, by the band, that DotC is an outlier? The under four minute rocker is a recent Pearl Jam single staple (World Wide Suicide, The Fixer, Mind Your Manners), but all of those songs felt like statements in a way SBWM does not – and, to be fair, does not aspire to be. There’s nothing on the album with a greater sense of self-importance they could share first? Especially since the last ‘weird’ singles we had received (Who You Are and Nothing As It Seems) were immediately followed by Hail Hail and Grievance (live).

And beyond that, this is the second track on the album. That’s an exalted spot, for the most part, in the Pearl Jam catalog, a collection of thematically resonant musical all-stars. Even Flow, Animal, Spin the Black Circle, Hail Hail, Faithfull, Save You, World Wide Suicide, Mind Your Manners – all lead singles or essential album tracks. And the first little musical snippet we received prior to the single spoke to a song that felt at least slightly more muscular than what you hear on first listen (in the same way that the opening moments of Mind Your Manners, the first element of the song we heard, is not necessarily indicative of the rest of the song). And so Superblood Wolfmoon immediately draws to mind the lighter songs usually confined to a b-side or the back half of a record, and compares itself to some of the most important songs in the catalog. It stacks the deck against itself on first listen, at least for the long term fan who will immediately, whether they are aware of it or not, start to compare, evaluate, and process the song against their internal expectations (here comes the important ‘classic pearl jam’ song after the DotC detour) the slightly misleading musical preview, and the immediate connections to the b-side fun track – no one’s favorite sub-genre of Pearl Jam.

But since I’m not paid by the word, lets actually talk about the song itself, which, despite an underwhelming first listen, turns out is pretty good. Superblood Wolfmoon took a few listens to really unlock itself for me . I needed some space and time to rid myself of prior expectations and evaluate the song on its own terms (what the song is rather than what I was expecting or needed it to be), and because there is a fair bit of nuance underneath its simple packaging.

Musically it is in the pop/punk vein that is generally the type of Pearl Jam song I like the least (though I do think this is arguably the best pure version of this they’ve done). We start with a familiar Matt Cameron intro (variants of which have been used in Undone and Again Today – to better effect, I think – this is a song that would probably benefit by diving right in) and a bouncy guitar part and title statement that immediately makes clear this is not a dark and serious song (though I wouldn’t mind if they used the heavier tone we get when this section repeats later on). It moves right into some fairly standard pop/punk guitar parts, and Eddie’s vocal melody seemingly floats along in harmony with it. But on early listens there was an odd, stitched together quality that took a while to unravel (and it was this unraveling that really helped settle the song for me). Pearl Jam songs, even the more ‘experimental’ ones, tend to follow a fairly similar structure – musical intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, verse and/or chorus, outro. Superblood Wolfmoon abandons that structure in interesting ways. The song starts with what passes for a chorus, it contains a primary verse structure that it repeats itself throughout, but there are also at least two other recurring sections of the song that could be bridges, could be alternate choruses, could be different verse structures. It’s like SBWM can’t decide, or doesn’t think it matters, or knows but doesn’t feel like telling you. It puts the listener on edge in an unexpected way, as the song doesn’t seem like it is written to challenge you (as opposed to songs that clearly intend to be ‘difficult’). It took a few listens for me to stop trying to force the song into a familiar mold and accept the Frankenstein approach.

Outside of the standard pop/punk power chords the band does a nice job coloring in the song, especially in the superior second half of the song (thought the best lyrics are in the first half). There are interesting moments happening underneath and outside of the main movements of the song that add emotional intensity and urgency. The high point is arguably the solo, not so much for the solo itself (which is pure Van Halenesuqe guitar wankery) but for everything that is happening around the solo – the way the song doesn’t want to let it escape. The solo has to crawl itself out from underneath Eddie’s growling vocals (strong end of sequence transitions from Eddie throughout the song), and it stays surprisingly lower in the mix as the rest of the band works to cage it in. It’s an interesting effect, especially since Mike’s solos are almost always front and center, and this is a particularly flashy one.

Eddie sounds good – it’s a wordy song but they don’t feel like they are outpacing him (which has happened on occasion), and while he is singing it in a higher, brighter register I don’t enjoy nearly as much as his baritone, he maintains control over it. More importantly, his performance manages to capture the mix of playful energy, entitled tantrum, and personal disgust present in the lyrics. It is not an all time performance, and there is nothing in at as immediately haunting and striking as the back half of Dance of the Clairvoyants, but it serves the song well – the right choices for the song.

Lyrically this is heads and shoulders the strongest writing effort we’ve seen in this kind of song (with the enormous caveat that this is based on best guess attempts at lyrics). But Superblood Wolfmoon is a tantrum of a song (which makes me wonder, given some lyrics in DotC, about the gender politics and themes that may run below the surface of the album), about a guy (I am presuming) hopelessly in love who has lost (or maybe never had) the object of his desire. We’ve seen Eddie mine this territory before – experienced as desperate sadness in I Got Shit or parody in Johnny Guitar – but this is probably the first time its been presented as judgmental. Although the song is written with some empathy, we’re not really supposed to feel sorry for this guy. He is throwing a tantrum. In comes cases there is enough self-awareness for it to be acknowledged (I’m feeling selfish and I want what’s right), and in others as petulance (my eyes are swollen/my face is broken/and I’m hoping that I hurt your fist) or pleading (I ask for forgiveness/I’m begging myself), with the attendant sense of self-disgust for debasing themselves (feeling angry/now get off the stage).

But it’s not a #me too inspired rant either. These are real feelings we’ve all experienced, and while possessiveness can be experienced as gendered, it can also be experienced as human, and the main character is clearly reeling (I don’t know anything/I question everything/this life I love is going way too fast). And of course there is the truly magnificent line ‘and love not withstanding we are each of us fucked’, which immediately became an all-timer for me.

We have received about 1/6th of Gigaton so it is way too early to start reading too much into album themes, but it does seem like the record may be exploring the lack of certainly and control that defines our current moment. Dance of the Clairvoyants tries to make peace with it. Superblood Wolfmoon rages against it. But neither song can find it, and I am very much looking forward to continuing the search.
*poses

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:43 pm
by Anders
oasisfan35 wrote:
stip wrote:My TSIS review:
For a simple song (although it’s a deceptive simplicity) Superblood Wolfmoon (SBWM) posses some odd challenges as a second single – and the first ‘traditional single’ far more akin to the typical Pearl Jam song than the surprising and magnificent Dance of the Clairvoyants. It’s not Pearl Jam by numbers, but it is Pearl Jam with much stronger catalog roots. If you placed SBWM in the center of a Venn diagram of Pearl Jam songs you can find overlap with a whole array of songs dating back to No Code. Mankind, Don’t Gimmie No Lip, Habit, Leatherman, U, All Night, Black Red Yellow, Gods Dice, Get Right, Green Disease, Big Wave, Supersonic, Gonna See My Friend, Johnny Guitar, Let the Records Play, Again Today – for a number of reasons Johnny Guitar is probably its closest parallel (and it does feel like a song that could nestle comfortably into Backspacer), but whether it is the playful tone, the propulsive rush, or the higher register, this is well traveled territory. We immediately think we know what this song is.

The problem is that none of the songs mentioned above are singles, or intended to be singles . These are the Pearl Jam b-sides, or the album tracks that feel like b-sides. Not a comment on their quality, per se – I do love a few songs on that list above – but they usually feel light and disposable. And even though I just rattled off 16 songs, they’ve always felt like outliers in the catalog. A lighter moment that the band is entitled to, but shouldn’t be taking up album real estate. Palette cleansers, or attempts at having ‘fun’ for a band who, with the exception of the criminally underrated Backspacer, can even make fun sound like serious business. And while there are a number of good songs on that list above, it is hardly a murderer’s row of greatest hits.

So it was hard on first listen not be at least somewhat deflated by Superblood Wolfmoon. Why would they release their fun ‘filler’ song as the first real hard driving declaration of intent (especially when it has been made clear, by the band, that DotC is an outlier? The under four minute rocker is a recent Pearl Jam single staple (World Wide Suicide, The Fixer, Mind Your Manners), but all of those songs felt like statements in a way SBWM does not – and, to be fair, does not aspire to be. There’s nothing on the album with a greater sense of self-importance they could share first? Especially since the last ‘weird’ singles we had received (Who You Are and Nothing As It Seems) were immediately followed by Hail Hail and Grievance (live).

And beyond that, this is the second track on the album. That’s an exalted spot, for the most part, in the Pearl Jam catalog, a collection of thematically resonant musical all-stars. Even Flow, Animal, Spin the Black Circle, Hail Hail, Faithfull, Save You, World Wide Suicide, Mind Your Manners – all lead singles or essential album tracks. And the first little musical snippet we received prior to the single spoke to a song that felt at least slightly more muscular than what you hear on first listen (in the same way that the opening moments of Mind Your Manners, the first element of the song we heard, is not necessarily indicative of the rest of the song). And so Superblood Wolfmoon immediately draws to mind the lighter songs usually confined to a b-side or the back half of a record, and compares itself to some of the most important songs in the catalog. It stacks the deck against itself on first listen, at least for the long term fan who will immediately, whether they are aware of it or not, start to compare, evaluate, and process the song against their internal expectations (here comes the important ‘classic pearl jam’ song after the DotC detour) the slightly misleading musical preview, and the immediate connections to the b-side fun track – no one’s favorite sub-genre of Pearl Jam.

But since I’m not paid by the word, lets actually talk about the song itself, which, despite an underwhelming first listen, turns out is pretty good. Superblood Wolfmoon took a few listens to really unlock itself for me . I needed some space and time to rid myself of prior expectations and evaluate the song on its own terms (what the song is rather than what I was expecting or needed it to be), and because there is a fair bit of nuance underneath its simple packaging.

Musically it is in the pop/punk vein that is generally the type of Pearl Jam song I like the least (though I do think this is arguably the best pure version of this they’ve done). We start with a familiar Matt Cameron intro (variants of which have been used in Undone and Again Today – to better effect, I think – this is a song that would probably benefit by diving right in) and a bouncy guitar part and title statement that immediately makes clear this is not a dark and serious song (though I wouldn’t mind if they used the heavier tone we get when this section repeats later on). It moves right into some fairly standard pop/punk guitar parts, and Eddie’s vocal melody seemingly floats along in harmony with it. But on early listens there was an odd, stitched together quality that took a while to unravel (and it was this unraveling that really helped settle the song for me). Pearl Jam songs, even the more ‘experimental’ ones, tend to follow a fairly similar structure – musical intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, verse and/or chorus, outro. Superblood Wolfmoon abandons that structure in interesting ways. The song starts with what passes for a chorus, it contains a primary verse structure that it repeats itself throughout, but there are also at least two other recurring sections of the song that could be bridges, could be alternate choruses, could be different verse structures. It’s like SBWM can’t decide, or doesn’t think it matters, or knows but doesn’t feel like telling you. It puts the listener on edge in an unexpected way, as the song doesn’t seem like it is written to challenge you (as opposed to songs that clearly intend to be ‘difficult’). It took a few listens for me to stop trying to force the song into a familiar mold and accept the Frankenstein approach.

Outside of the standard pop/punk power chords the band does a nice job coloring in the song, especially in the superior second half of the song (thought the best lyrics are in the first half). There are interesting moments happening underneath and outside of the main movements of the song that add emotional intensity and urgency. The high point is arguably the solo, not so much for the solo itself (which is pure Van Halenesuqe guitar wankery) but for everything that is happening around the solo – the way the song doesn’t want to let it escape. The solo has to crawl itself out from underneath Eddie’s growling vocals (strong end of sequence transitions from Eddie throughout the song), and it stays surprisingly lower in the mix as the rest of the band works to cage it in. It’s an interesting effect, especially since Mike’s solos are almost always front and center, and this is a particularly flashy one.

Eddie sounds good – it’s a wordy song but they don’t feel like they are outpacing him (which has happened on occasion), and while he is singing it in a higher, brighter register I don’t enjoy nearly as much as his baritone, he maintains control over it. More importantly, his performance manages to capture the mix of playful energy, entitled tantrum, and personal disgust present in the lyrics. It is not an all time performance, and there is nothing in at as immediately haunting and striking as the back half of Dance of the Clairvoyants, but it serves the song well – the right choices for the song.

Lyrically this is heads and shoulders the strongest writing effort we’ve seen in this kind of song (with the enormous caveat that this is based on best guess attempts at lyrics). But Superblood Wolfmoon is a tantrum of a song (which makes me wonder, given some lyrics in DotC, about the gender politics and themes that may run below the surface of the album), about a guy (I am presuming) hopelessly in love who has lost (or maybe never had) the object of his desire. We’ve seen Eddie mine this territory before – experienced as desperate sadness in I Got Shit or parody in Johnny Guitar – but this is probably the first time its been presented as judgmental. Although the song is written with some empathy, we’re not really supposed to feel sorry for this guy. He is throwing a tantrum. In comes cases there is enough self-awareness for it to be acknowledged (I’m feeling selfish and I want what’s right), and in others as petulance (my eyes are swollen/my face is broken/and I’m hoping that I hurt your fist) or pleading (I ask for forgiveness/I’m begging myself), with the attendant sense of self-disgust for debasing themselves (feeling angry/now get off the stage).

But it’s not a #me too inspired rant either. These are real feelings we’ve all experienced, and while possessiveness can be experienced as gendered, it can also be experienced as human, and the main character is clearly reeling (I don’t know anything/I question everything/this life I love is going way too fast). And of course there is the truly magnificent line ‘and love not withstanding we are each of us fucked’, which immediately became an all-timer for me.

We have received about 1/6th of Gigaton so it is way too early to start reading too much into album themes, but it does seem like the record may be exploring the lack of certainly and control that defines our current moment. Dance of the Clairvoyants tries to make peace with it. Superblood Wolfmoon rages against it. But neither song can find it, and I am very much looking forward to continuing the search.
*poses
*Don’t Gimme No Lip

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:45 pm
by Juvenal
Great write up, Stip. :)

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:53 pm
by stip
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:Superblood Wolfmoon is a far better song than Mind Your Manners.
Not true! Mind Your Manners is a masterpiece
Any opinion on such a matter is fair, but I certainly don't agree.

RM ranked it 8th out of 23 Backscaper and Lightning Bolt songs. Personally I think it's in the bottom half of songs from the past two albums.

Superblood Wolfmoon however, is one of the best songs they have released in the past 12 years.
I can accept 8 out of 23 if I didnt know that these 23 songs were also 23 of the bottom 30.

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:54 pm
by stip
Juvenal wrote:Great write up, Stip. :)
thanks :)

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:57 pm
by Bi_3
The transition from Single Bald White Man into DotC is nice

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:58 pm
by stip
Ms Harmless wrote:
igotworms wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:I really cringe at "hoping that I hurt your fist"; what does that even mean? is he going to like, break her fist when she goes to hold his hand? is he going to "accidentally on purpose" hit her fist with a hammer while doing the DIY? is he going to block one of her punches and send it right back? such an awkward lyric because I can't imagine it
I'm totally reading that as when a guy whose all beat up says "yeah but you should see the OTHER GUY"

The preceding lines are about his eyes being swollen, his face broken, so she's obviously beaten the shit out of him and he's hoping that she's hurt herself in the process. Pitiful passive-aggressive stuff from a self-pitying asshole. Good lyric IMO.
thinking about it, this song might be one where the slightly stereotypical no frills "straight ahead rock" with an 80s hair solo actually serves the gender politics of the song
it might - this is potentially thematic territory he hasnt visited in a very long time. I wonder how prevalent it will be on the record

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:58 pm
by stip
Bi_3 wrote:The transition from Single Bald White Man into DotC is nice
it works way better than I expected

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 12:59 pm
by Anders
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:Superblood Wolfmoon is a far better song than Mind Your Manners.
Not true! Mind Your Manners is a masterpiece
Any opinion on such a matter is fair, but I certainly don't agree.

RM ranked it 8th out of 23 Backscaper and Lightning Bolt songs. Personally I think it's in the bottom half of songs from the past two albums.

Superblood Wolfmoon however, is one of the best songs they have released in the past 12 years.
I can accept 8 out of 23 if I didnt know that these 23 songs were also 23 of the bottom 30.
Anyone that puts Johnny Guitar in their bottom 30 is a fool.

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 1:01 pm
by evenslow
Release_Me wrote:I think that if some people gave up their pre-conceived notions of what they wanted the song to be like (Riot Act or Binaural-era rocker seemed to be the wish) and enjoy it for what it is, they will find that it is a good song. I too was expecting something different, not what we got. I would not want the rest of the album rockers to follow a similar template because I enjoy the more anthemic and deliberately paced rockers more. That said, I like this song as a standalone.

Looking back at the Variety review, I don't think they spent more than a couple of lines talking about SBWM, did not appear to say it was a standout. KidC- also didn't seem to focus on SBWM when he posted here, he was more amped about Who Ever Said if I remember correctly. Those are good signs for fans who are hoping this isn't as good as it gets.
:nice:

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 1:02 pm
by evenslow
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:Superblood Wolfmoon is a far better song than Mind Your Manners.
Not true! Mind Your Manners is a masterpiece
Any opinion on such a matter is fair, but I certainly don't agree.

RM ranked it 8th out of 23 Backscaper and Lightning Bolt songs. Personally I think it's in the bottom half of songs from the past two albums.

Superblood Wolfmoon however, is one of the best songs they have released in the past 12 years.
I can accept 8 out of 23 if I didnt know that these 23 songs were also 23 of the bottom 30.
Anyone that puts Johnny Guitar in their bottom 30 is a fool.
said before, say again: best track on backspacer.

Re: Superblood Wolfmoon

Posted: Wed February 19, 2020 1:02 pm
by evenslow
nice writing, stip.