Red Mosquito

RockPusher wrote:I think part of the problem is that there are a lot of people here who don't like modern Pearl Jam, and who view this as a place to vent about why, because they see this as a forum *about* Pearl Jam. On the other hand, there are a lot of people here, myself included, who see this as a forum for *fans of* Pearl Jam.

LetMeSleep wrote:Anything happen over the past 30 pages?

I played this to my 12yo son. “Bad. This is really crap. He swears a lot. Can we not listen to this”.

We’re back listening to Mogwai.

epilogue wrote:Legit my favorite part of the song is "let the fucking water running"

It makes me so happy

LetMeSleep wrote:Anything happen over the past 30 pages?

I played this to my 12yo son. “Bad. This is really crap. He swears a lot. Can we not listen to this”.

We’re back listening to Mogwai.

RockPusher wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:Anything happen over the past 30 pages?

I played this to my 12yo son. “Bad. This is really crap. He swears a lot. Can we not listen to this”.

We’re back listening to Mogwai.

Ever been to a Mogwai show? You'll be happily zoning out to the beautiful music, then they break you with the wall of sound and you are dead (then they probably do the pretty music again, but you don't know because you're dead)

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:

Strat wrote:Super happy for Watt invigorating Ed the past couple of years.

Really wish theyd just hand the raw tracks over to Josh Evans though!

he is doing a mix!

really?

yeah, its cd 2 of the deluxe packaging

Not really. Unless I've missed it, there's no version with a second CD.

There's a version with Evans's Atmos mix on a second disc, which is a Blu-Ray and won't be playable on a regular CD player.

I wouldn't think Evans could work any miracles, as I expect the album mixes are pretty reflective of how Wotman's raw tracks sounded at the recording stage.

brisk wrote:I listen to so many tiny math rock bands with 200 followers and their studio production is 9000 trillion times better than any of Pj's last few records, don't get it. No character, texture, warmth or anything in them, all sounds like it was made in a macbook...oh wait.

Hey, it costs a lot of money and a few Grammy award winners to make records that sound this bad!

It's flippant but there's some truth in it. It's a sound geared towards commercial success - it's meant be overwhelming and immediately appealing, like the first bite out of a donut. It's not designed to sound good to someone who's listening critically on a great system, it's for people blasting 'modern rock' in their car or soundtracking football highlights.

No band is going to chase that sound unless they're playing in that commercial space, which is really only a tiny fraction of bands. It's definitely an apparent irony that your average local rock band will probably make better sounding records than those being churned out of expensive LA studios by professional award-winning producers and engineers, but they're not ultimately trying to achieve the same things.

Anyway, the last Mudhoney album sounds great and I'd prefer Pearl Jam records to sound much closer to this:

Birds in Hell wrote:
We've hashed this out endlessly over the years, but it always surprises me to see people expecting love for the band to be the default position and criticism as a kind of deviation.

stip wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:

Strat wrote:Super happy for Watt invigorating Ed the past couple of years.

Really wish theyd just hand the raw tracks over to Josh Evans though!

he is doing a mix!

really?

yeah, its cd 2 of the deluxe packaging

Not really. Unless I've missed it, there's no version with a second CD.

There's a version with Evans's Atmos mix on a second disc, which is a Blu-Ray and won't be playable on a regular CD player.

I wouldn't think Evans could work any miracles, as I expect the album mixes are pretty reflective of how Wotman's raw tracks sounded at the recording stage.

brisk wrote:I listen to so many tiny math rock bands with 200 followers and their studio production is 9000 trillion times better than any of Pj's last few records, don't get it. No character, texture, warmth or anything in them, all sounds like it was made in a macbook...oh wait.

Hey, it costs a lot of money and a few Grammy award winners to make records that sound this bad!

It's flippant but there's some truth in it. It's a sound geared towards commercial success - it's meant be overwhelming and immediately appealing, like the first bite out of a donut. It's not designed to sound good to someone who's listening critically on a great system, it's for people blasting 'modern rock' in their car or soundtracking football highlights.

No band is going to chase that sound unless they're playing in that commercial space, which is really only a tiny fraction of bands. It's definitely an apparent irony that your average local rock band will probably make better sounding records than those being churned out of expensive LA studios by professional award-winning producers and engineers, but they're not ultimately trying to achieve the same things.

Anyway, the last Mudhoney album sounds great and I'd prefer Pearl Jam records to sound much closer to this:

Okay. I don't care for that song, but it did sound pretty great. Point taken.

And yeah, you're right about the blu-ray. Crap.