Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:What do people that didn't go to school or paid for it get?

Oh let me guess, a better society to live in, right?

Nothing. Nothing this time, because this is only one policy to help one struggling group of people.

I don't get shit out of subsidized daycare, work retraining programs, or paid maternity leave, but that doesn't make them shit goals. They're good for people. They're good for the economy. They're good for the businesses these people will be able to support.

You are a good doggie. I'm happy you are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of people in a better situation than you. You will be remembered in heaven. God will not forget.

B wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:
B might be the median beneficiary of this proposal, depending on his particulars.

My wife and I do not have college debt, nor do we anticipate our children having any, if that's your implication.

Congrats!

There has been much talk of low quality masters degrees being in play for an outsized portion of student debt, at least for those with 6 figures plus of debt.

If you had financed your undergrad and masters you could be in that position if you went to expensive schools for both.

Some Journo was complaining that 10k of relief wouldn't even cover her interest payment. She makes 180k/ yr. Why should she be bailed out?

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:What do people that didn't go to school or paid for it get?

Oh let me guess, a better society to live in, right?

Nothing. Nothing this time, because this is only one policy to help one struggling group of people.

I don't get shit out of subsidized daycare, work retraining programs, or paid maternity leave, but that doesn't make them shit goals. They're good for people. They're good for the economy. They're good for the businesses these people will be able to support.

You are a good doggie. I'm happy you are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of people in a better situation than you. You will be remembered in heaven. God will not forget.

To be fair, the daycare and jobs stuff you talk about are ways to keep some at risk people going. You’re talking about people with college degrees who didn’t get their moneys worth.

Rob wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:What do people that didn't go to school or paid for it get?

Oh let me guess, a better society to live in, right?

Nothing. Nothing this time, because this is only one policy to help one struggling group of people.

I don't get shit out of subsidized daycare, work retraining programs, or paid maternity leave, but that doesn't make them shit goals. They're good for people. They're good for the economy. They're good for the businesses these people will be able to support.

You are a good doggie. I'm happy you are willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of people in a better situation than you. You will be remembered in heaven. God will not forget.

To be fair, the daycare and jobs stuff you talk about are ways to keep some at risk people going. You’re talking about people with college degrees who didn’t get their moneys worth.

He's talking about mostly white people

i cant imagine going through life thinking if i dont benefit then no one should

Peeps wrote:i cant imagine going through life thinking if i dont benefit then no one should

Lmao libs do this all the time! It's their entire identity!

no they dont

well im sure some do

but i meant more people in general, not lib or repugnants

simple schoolboy wrote:

B wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:
B might be the median beneficiary of this proposal, depending on his particulars.

My wife and I do not have college debt, nor do we anticipate our children having any, if that's your implication.

Congrats!

There has been much talk of low quality masters degrees being in play for an outsized portion of student debt, at least for those with 6 figures plus of debt.

If you had financed your undergrad and masters you could be in that position if you went to expensive schools for both.

Some Journo was complaining that 10k of relief wouldn't even cover her interest payment. She makes 180k/ yr. Why should she be bailed out?

If she got lumped into the 10K or 50K debt cancellation, I think I could probably sleep at night.

"Don't help anyone because some people don't deserve it," is a pretty shitty perspective.

I guess if you want to review dossiers on the 46 million Americans with college debt and rank them based on how much they deserve relief, I'd be OK with having Biden only rescue the top 60% of your list.

How are these debts being 'forgiven'? I'd be ok if the government just told the predatory loan sharks (financial institutions) to fuck off and cancelled the debts, but I assume this is just more government bailouts of criminal institutions using our money, creating disastrous and unforeseen consequences most liberals are incapable of grasping.

Remember the time we put millions of Americans into endless debt prison because of disastrous and unforeseen consequences most conservatives were incapable of grasping.

If they aren't going to fix the education system then this is all moot anyway. Are we just going to repeat this cycle every ten years?

BurtReynolds wrote:How are these debts being 'forgiven'? I'd be ok if the government just told the predatory loan sharks (financial institutions) to fuck off and cancelled the debts, but I assume this is just more government bailouts of criminal institutions using our money, creating disastrous and unforeseen consequences most liberals are incapable of grasping.

you mean like businesses that got a financial bailout because they couldnt keep afloat or businesses that get a huge tax cut to help them out or the very rich who get tax breaks that conervatives cant grasp that those breaks eventually get passed down to the working class to pay for?

Yes exactly like that.

Just to reiterate: I think we need to do this by skin color or not at all

The fact that policies can't be debated or discussed even a little bit on this board is, well, I guess par for the course.

4/5 wrote:The fact that policies can't be debated or discussed even a little bit on this board is, well, I guess par for the course.

I think JuanHamm asked a good question that nobody seems to be trying to answer.

JuanHamm wrote:If they aren't going to fix the education system then this is all moot anyway. Are we just going to repeat this cycle every ten years?

washing machine wrote:I haven't really taken a look at the proposal, so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but would this affect new student loans? I wonder if there's a whole new generation of future college grads taking out loans expecting another Biden to forgive them at some point.

Is anyone in this administration looking past midterm election cycle on this thing?

verb_to_trust wrote:Just to reiterate: I think we need to do this by skin color or not at all

Reparations!

JuanHamm wrote:If they aren't going to fix the education system then this is all moot anyway. Are we just going to repeat this cycle every ten years?

You're not wrong.

verb_to_trust wrote:Just to reiterate: I think we need to do this by skin color or not at all

Don't worry. I'm sure we are. I don't know the data, but I'd be shocked if forgiving 10K in debt doesn't end up being a huge windfall for a lot of whites while leaving a lot of blacks with a shit ton more debt to go.