Red Mosquito

verb_to_trust wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

Point 3 is a little problematic and some might say racist given a certain demographic with a very low vaccination rate.

Nobody should be focused on an "enemy". Just worry about yourself and live your life. A lot of old people I talk to don't appreciate being infantilized by doomers about what is best for them anyway.

Believe or not, I'm not that far off from this--I really don't want to see any more NPIs now that we've got vaccines. The only problem is when the hospitals get overwhelmed by antivaxxers and the rest of us can't get care as a result.

B wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

WHO (for what it's worth) disagrees with #1.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-04/

I understand the sentiment, but I'm very skeptical that there will be supply issues that would prevent both. Nate Silver's been really good prodding this skepticism on Twitter in recent days.

Green Habit wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

Point 3 is a little problematic and some might say racist given a certain demographic with a very low vaccination rate.

Nobody should be focused on an "enemy". Just worry about yourself and live your life. A lot of old people I talk to don't appreciate being infantilized by doomers about what is best for them anyway.

Believe or not, I'm not that far off from this--I really don't want to see any more NPIs now that we've got vaccines. The only problem is when the hospitals get overwhelmed by antivaxxers and the rest of us can't get care as a result.

this is the exact point people arent grasping. when hospitals are full mostly because of a shit ton of antivaxxers that prevents others from being admitted, whether it is for kidney stones, arm fractures or car wrecks

ICUs are designed to be run near capacity. They are supposed to be full.

B wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

WHO (for what it's worth) disagrees with #1.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-04/

If I recall correctly, the WHO didn't want anyone getting their 2nd shot before the rest of the world got their 1st shot.

Green Habit wrote:

B wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

WHO (for what it's worth) disagrees with #1.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-04/

I understand the sentiment, but I'm very skeptical that there will be supply issues that would prevent both. Nate Silver's been really good prodding this skepticism on Twitter in recent days.

pfizer and moderna once the vaccinations are approved can make more than enough doses so the manufacturing of the vaccine wont be tough but as they have seen it is the logistics of getting it delivered. that will probably be the biggest hurdle if not tied for convincing people it is safe and wont magnetize you or allow bill gates to reboot your modem

I've never met anyone in the wild who believes the microchip thing. Most people who haven't gotten their shot just don't see the upside.

a acquaintance's daughter swears up and down that her mother in law got the vaccine and now she is magnetized. i tired to explain that its not magnetism but likely perspiration that is allowing it to stick and was rebuffed. i exited that conversation pretty quick after that

I know I'm asking a question like 17 months late, but anybody have a recommendation for a mask that's good if you're doing a lot of talking? Second day of class today and the rag I'm wearing ain't cutting it.

4/5 wrote:I know I'm asking a question like 17 months late, but anybody have a recommendation for a mask that's good if you're doing a lot of talking? Second day of class today and the rag I'm wearing ain't cutting it.

accumed.com is the one the dr recommended yesterday but i should stress it is the one he feels comfortable with.

they are cheap enough to get a box and see if you like it

surfndestroy wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

Point 3 is a little problematic and some might say racist given a certain demographic with a very low vaccination rate.

Fuck that noise. So goddamn sick of the race card everywhere.

Bammer wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

Point 3 is a little problematic and some might say racist given a certain demographic with a very low vaccination rate.

Fuck that noise. So goddamn sick of the race card everywhere.

You can clean up #3 by just saying we need to focus on the unvaccinated.

Peeps wrote:

4/5 wrote:I know I'm asking a question like 17 months late, but anybody have a recommendation for a mask that's good if you're doing a lot of talking? Second day of class today and the rag I'm wearing ain't cutting it.

accumed.com is the one the dr recommended yesterday but i should stress it is the one he feels comfortable with.

they are cheap enough to get a box and see if you like it

I saw a site that sold fake masks that look real. You breathe normal through them. I'd go with one of them.

verb_to_trust wrote:I saw a site that sold fake masks that look real. You breathe normal through them. I'd go with one of them.

You breathe normal through all masks.

4/5 wrote:I know I'm asking a question like 17 months late, but anybody have a recommendation for a mask that's good if you're doing a lot of talking? Second day of class today and the rag I'm wearing ain't cutting it.

I haven't tried these, and they're pricey, but maybe.

https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/c/acc ... s-gaiters/

It's a tough ask b/c if the mask isn't stopping and absorbing moisture then it's not doing anything.

B wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:I saw a site that sold fake masks that look real. You breathe normal through them. I'd go with one of them.

You breathe normal through all masks.

Plus you get the pulmonary benefits of fibers and microplastics!

4/5 wrote:I know I'm asking a question like 17 months late, but anybody have a recommendation for a mask that's good if you're doing a lot of talking? Second day of class today and the rag I'm wearing ain't cutting it.

1. MASKS:KN95 masks are most comfortable for him and his children. They are available just about anywhere online; purchases them via AccuMed
2. MONOCLONAL ANTIBODIES: If you or a loved one are exposed to or test positive for COVID, suggests speaking with your physician about monoclonal antibodies in addition to all other treatment options
3. COVID GROWTH RATE TRACKING:referenced the tool available on the CDC site or on most major news websites, which shows the growth rates of COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths in any given area, measured per 100,000 people in the area. This information may help determine comfort level when travelling to different areas, especially where masks are optional

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:I saw a site that sold fake masks that look real. You breathe normal through them. I'd go with one of them.

You breathe normal through all masks.

Plus you get the pulmonary benefits of fibers and microplastics!

That's a new one for me.

surfndestroy wrote:

spike wrote:Higher risk over 65s and such.

If you're at a higher risk there are plenty of precautions you can take and/or adjustments to your lifestyle you can make that make that mitigate the choices that others make. Get vaxxed and stop worrying about what others are doing.

Unless more evidence comes out that over 65s have less protection (including against hospitalization/death) after 6-8 months. That appears to be where this is going.

Peeps wrote:

Green Habit wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Green Habit wrote:A few things can simultaneously be true:
1. There's no harm in getting a booster, so go get it.
2. The vaccines are still highly effective even without a booster.
3. The assholes causing all the problems are the ones who haven't gotten jabbed even once, so focus on them.

Point 3 is a little problematic and some might say racist given a certain demographic with a very low vaccination rate.

Nobody should be focused on an "enemy". Just worry about yourself and live your life. A lot of old people I talk to don't appreciate being infantilized by doomers about what is best for them anyway.

Believe or not, I'm not that far off from this--I really don't want to see any more NPIs now that we've got vaccines. The only problem is when the hospitals get overwhelmed by antivaxxers and the rest of us can't get care as a result.

this is the exact point people arent grasping. when hospitals are full mostly because of a shit ton of antivaxxers that prevents others from being admitted, whether it is for kidney stones, arm fractures or car wrecks

Hospital beds being available has always been the greatest concern through this. That’s the main metric to watch if you want to predict government’s next move.