Red Mosquito

At what point does RU arms run out?

Allegedly a KH-22, which travels at mach 4.6 and has a CEP of 600m or so, which is fine if it's armed with a nuclear warhead and aimed at an American Carrier group.

Ukraine doesn't have anything that can intercept them, which is why they get through, but they are also useless as anything other than a terror weapon.

Seems the Russians are running out of weapons if they’re now using those missiles.

First Germany was the one blocking the EU sanctions against Russia and now everyone are waiting for their decision on sending the Leopard tanks to Ukraine. Other EU countries need Germany's permission to send the tanks, and they're once again just sitting on their hands.

contamination wrote:First Germany was the one blocking the EU sanctions against Russia and now everyone are waiting for their decision on sending the Leopard tanks to Ukraine. Other EU countries need Germany's permission to send the tanks, and they're once again just sitting on their hands.

Except not a single word of that is true.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Rank them.

dimejinky99 wrote:

contamination wrote:First Germany was the one blocking the EU sanctions against Russia and now everyone are waiting for their decision on sending the Leopard tanks to Ukraine. Other EU countries need Germany's permission to send the tanks, and they're once again just sitting on their hands.

Except not a single word of that is true.

Leopard(2) tanks are probably the most common non ex-Soviet tanks in European inventories. Are the Germans not blocking the re-export of these from the various European countries that are interested in sending them to Ukraine?

I know the Irish military is well experienced in UN backed sex tourism, but other than that, what special knowledge on martial matters do your people possess?

Seems strange to send tanks into a modern combat zone, particularly given how successful UKR has been against Russian heavy armor.

Bi_3 wrote:Seems strange to send tanks into a modern combat zone, particularly given how successful UKR has been against Russian heavy armor.

Russia sending unsupported columns of tanks into Grozny didn't prove them to be obsolete back in the 90s. Doing a slightly less terrible version of that in Ukraine doesn't do so now.

(Probably) having to ship everything back to Poland for major maintenance is going to be a headache I imagine.

simple schoolboy wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Seems strange to send tanks into a modern combat zone, particularly given how successful UKR has been against Russian heavy armor.

Russia sending unsupported columns of tanks into Grozny didn't prove them to be obsolete back in the 90s. Doing a slightly less terrible version of that in Ukraine doesn't do so now.

(Probably) having to ship everything back to Poland for major maintenance is going to be a headache I imagine.

Fewer suicide drones in the 90s and a far less cooperative populace if American tanks roll into the eastern edge of UKR.

Bi_3 wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:Seems strange to send tanks into a modern combat zone, particularly given how successful UKR has been against Russian heavy armor.

Russia sending unsupported columns of tanks into Grozny didn't prove them to be obsolete back in the 90s. Doing a slightly less terrible version of that in Ukraine doesn't do so now.

(Probably) having to ship everything back to Poland for major maintenance is going to be a headache I imagine.

Fewer suicide drones in the 90s and a far less cooperative populace if American tanks roll into the eastern edge of UKR.

Do the pro Russian separatists care whether they are being shot at by 120mm cannons rather than 125mm?

Can we do a no fly zone now?

Things seem escalated.

Might as well just declare open war on Russia at this point and get the nuclear annihilation over with.

BurtReynolds wrote:Might as well just declare open war on Russia at this point and get the nuclear annihilation over with.

Naw, we give the Ukrainians F-35s with US pilots and claim they're Ukranian to finally get revenge for the Korean War (not really).

This is in no way an escalation, and as the Russians believe this whole endeavor to be critical to their future, doing anything other than twisting Ukraine's arm into unconditional surrender is "escalation".