Red Mosquito

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Homeboyd wrote:Spotify keeps recommending me the song Gunman by Three Crooked Vultures immediately after I play the Dark Matter songs. It’s happened like 4 times so I finally gave the song a listen.

A few conclusions:

1. Gunman is a fantastic song.
2. It is also an example of a song with quite a bit of noticeable production elements but done in a way that sounds 100x better than the Dark Matter tunes imo.

Homme has generally done a stellar job of marrying his rock roots with slick production. All those albums sound awesome (except I thought it dipped considerably with Times New Roman)

villains is awful

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Homeboyd wrote:Spotify keeps recommending me the song Gunman by Three Crooked Vultures immediately after I play the Dark Matter songs. It’s happened like 4 times so I finally gave the song a listen.

A few conclusions:

1. Gunman is a fantastic song.
2. It is also an example of a song with quite a bit of noticeable production elements but done in a way that sounds 100x better than the Dark Matter tunes imo.

Homme has generally done a stellar job of marrying his rock roots with slick production. All those albums sound awesome (except I thought it dipped considerably with Times New Roman)

villains is awful

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:
We've hashed this out endlessly over the years, but it always surprises me to see people expecting love for the band to be the default position and criticism as a kind of deviation.

So many years of this and you still miss the point that is being made, BiH.

There is a reason that when this boils up it's very rarely (if ever?) targeted at you, and you are arguably the most consistently critical poster. Why do you suppose that is?

If I'm reading you right, you're suggesting that because Spenno delivers measured criticisms, he's not the source of RP's complaint; and that posters who are more salty therefore are the source of conflict...

Perhaps.

All I know is, I'm right in the thick of watching my PJ fandom die. I was really looking forward to this record and tour, and my disappointment and disillusionment are accelerating at a rapid pace, and I've completely gone from a lifelong PJ fan to a former PJ fan within the span of about six weeks, and it seems like the hits keep coming. Frankly it feels really crappy and a little weird.

So the saltiness is born out of that, and at least for my part it's a way of processing a sort of mourning. But playing directly into that is the sort of unvarnished enthusiasm that the band is getting lately that frankly I don't think they deserve. And I can say "five stars for Dark Matter, oh come on...", and others can say "Hey don't try to force your views on us, we love this song," and the critical back and forth holds its own merit. But I don't think it needs to be sanitized for the sake of others' feelings. This isn't a kindergarten class, and while I agree there's a line of personal attacks that shouldn't be crossed, it absolutely gets crossed by the PJ lovers as much as the haters.

My opinion is that PJ is a joke of a band now, that they're a wholly commercial enterprise that is out of touch with the (possibly false) ideals they bandied about for years, and that their music sounds simultaneously uninspired and overcooked. It would be easy for me to share that opinion calmly and gently, but when you start adding in some of the truly extractive capitalist approaches they've taken recently -- the ticket BS, the poster artist compensation thing, the EB charity thing, and now this nonsense with the vinyl variants that has a real impact on smaller bands with less buying power -- they start to look downright shitty, and they deserve all the vitriol I can muster.

Fuck 'em. And fuck you if you're someone who tries to characterize this as "negativity" or somehow infringing on your ability to love them while I laugh at them.

Coach wrote:This album is shaping up to be Earthlings Part 2 and I'm fine with that, but can understand why others aren't since that record was mixed here.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Coach wrote:This album is shaping up to be Earthlings Part 2 and I'm fine with that, but can understand why others aren't since that record was mixed here.

i hate that fucking album and think these two songs are decent.

spike wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Coach wrote:This album is shaping up to be Earthlings Part 2 and I'm fine with that, but can understand why others aren't since that record was mixed here.

i hate that fucking album and think these two songs are decent.

That’s because the four members of Pearl Jam that aren’t Eddie Vedder can still fuckin chug.

tragabigzanda wrote: If I'm reading you right, you're suggesting that because Spenno delivers measured criticisms, he's not the source of RP's complaint; and that posters who are more salty therefore are the source of conflict...

Perhaps.

All I know is, I'm right in the thick of watching my PJ fandom die. I was really looking forward to this record and tour, and my disappointment and disillusionment are accelerating at a rapid pace, and I've completely gone from a lifelong PJ fan to a former PJ fan within the span of about six weeks, and it seems like the hits keep coming. Frankly it feels really crappy and a little weird.

So the saltiness is born out of that, and at least for my part it's a way of processing a sort of mourning. But playing directly into that is the sort of unvarnished enthusiasm that the band is getting lately that frankly I don't think they deserve. And I can say "five stars for Dark Matter, oh come on...", and others can say "Hey don't try to force your views on us, we love this song," and the critical back and forth holds its own merit. But I don't think it needs to be sanitized for the sake of others' feelings. This isn't a kindergarten class, and while I agree there's a line of personal attacks that shouldn't be crossed, it absolutely gets crossed by the PJ lovers as much as the haters.

My opinion is that PJ is a joke of a band now, that they're a wholly commercial enterprise that is out of touch with the (possibly false) ideals they bandied about for years, and that their music sounds simultaneously uninspired and overcooked. It would be easy for me to share that opinion calmly and gently, but when you start adding in some of the truly extractive capitalist approaches they've taken recently -- the ticket BS, the poster artist compensation thing, the EB charity thing, and now this nonsense with the vinyl variants that has a real impact on smaller bands with less buying power -- they start to look downright shitty, and they deserve all the vitriol I can muster.

Fuck 'em. And fuck you if you're someone who tries to characterize this as "negativity" or somehow infringing on your ability to love them while I laugh at them.

SJM wrote:I was shit posting here yesterday calling Running an embarrassment and here I am tonight absolutely loving it. Forgive me.

coptheriotact wrote:I like reading posts complaining about Pearl Jam
And posts about complaining about complaining
And posts about complaining about posts

Birds in Hell wrote:

coptheriotact wrote:I like reading posts complaining about Pearl Jam
And posts about complaining about complaining
And posts about complaining about posts

Me too.

Let a thousand blossoms bloom as far I’m concerned but I’m not spending any time on it because in the meantime every three months a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.

coptheriotact wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

coptheriotact wrote:I like reading posts complaining about Pearl Jam
And posts about complaining about complaining
And posts about complaining about posts

Me too.

Let a thousand blossoms bloom as far I’m concerned but I’m not spending any time on it because in the meantime every three months a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.

I live in North Queensland