Red Mosquito

I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base. I've never seen it called the other way, but then again, most of the time, like, 99.9999% of the time a play like this happens, the fielders simply STEP ON THE BASE!!!! Thanks Pirates.

Also, the runner going home in this play, started the play on 2nd, hes rounding 3rd at about the time the 1st basemen is already half way home.
This really reminds me of the time Segura got in a pickle between 2nd and 3rd and ended up stealing 1st for the Brewers years ago.

No amount of explanation would ever get me to understand how Segura goes back to 1st. WTF.

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

the giants suck

Simple Torture wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

No no, I was talking about every single runner, who is in a force situation, having to advance one base successfully for any run to count.
Someone back a page on here, said if the run scores before the TAG is applied, the run counts, but if the run scores before the force at the base happens then it does not. I'm pretty sure the run does not count in either situation. The batter must successfully reach first base safely for any run to count. I'm pretty sure this rule applies in all "force out" situations. But as you said, baseball can be weird, and thats why were always coached to TAKE THE EASY OUT! flipping Pirates

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

No no, I was talking about every single runner, who is in a force situation, having to advance one base successfully for any run to count.
Someone back a page on here, said if the run scores before the TAG is applied, the run counts, but if the run scores before the force at the base happens then it does not. I'm pretty sure the run does not count in either situation. The batter must successfully reach first base safely for any run to count. I'm pretty sure this rule applies in all "force out" situations. But as you said, baseball can be weird, and thats why were always coached to TAKE THE EASY OUT! flipping Pirates

please cite a source for this

because I’m lazy

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

No no, I was talking about every single runner, who is in a force situation, having to advance one base successfully for any run to count.
Someone back a page on here, said if the run scores before the TAG is applied, the run counts, but if the run scores before the force at the base happens then it does not. I'm pretty sure the run does not count in either situation. The batter must successfully reach first base safely for any run to count. I'm pretty sure this rule applies in all "force out" situations. But as you said, baseball can be weird, and thats why were always coached to TAKE THE EASY OUT! flipping Pirates

They clarified this on quick pitch last night. You are correct. It doesn’t matter how many runs cross home plate. So long as the batter doesn’t touch first base, none of those runs counts. It’s why every team makes the batter reach first base in walk-off hit situations.

interesting…cut that first baseman

Chris_H_2 wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

No no, I was talking about every single runner, who is in a force situation, having to advance one base successfully for any run to count.
Someone back a page on here, said if the run scores before the TAG is applied, the run counts, but if the run scores before the force at the base happens then it does not. I'm pretty sure the run does not count in either situation. The batter must successfully reach first base safely for any run to count. I'm pretty sure this rule applies in all "force out" situations. But as you said, baseball can be weird, and thats why were always coached to TAKE THE EASY OUT! flipping Pirates

They clarified this on quick pitch last night. You are correct. It doesn’t matter how many runs cross home plate. So long as the batter doesn’t touch first base, none of those runs counts. It’s why every team makes the batter reach first base in walk-off hit situations.

What if it’s bases loaded, tie game, bottom of the ninth, pitcher beans batter in the head and he dies

Bammer wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

No no, I was talking about every single runner, who is in a force situation, having to advance one base successfully for any run to count.
Someone back a page on here, said if the run scores before the TAG is applied, the run counts, but if the run scores before the force at the base happens then it does not. I'm pretty sure the run does not count in either situation. The batter must successfully reach first base safely for any run to count. I'm pretty sure this rule applies in all "force out" situations. But as you said, baseball can be weird, and thats why were always coached to TAKE THE EASY OUT! flipping Pirates

They clarified this on quick pitch last night. You are correct. It doesn’t matter how many runs cross home plate. So long as the batter doesn’t touch first base, none of those runs counts. It’s why every team makes the batter reach first base in walk-off hit situations.

What if it’s bases loaded, tie game, bottom of the ninth, pitcher beans batter in the head and he dies

automatic forfeit

Bammer wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

No no, I was talking about every single runner, who is in a force situation, having to advance one base successfully for any run to count.
Someone back a page on here, said if the run scores before the TAG is applied, the run counts, but if the run scores before the force at the base happens then it does not. I'm pretty sure the run does not count in either situation. The batter must successfully reach first base safely for any run to count. I'm pretty sure this rule applies in all "force out" situations. But as you said, baseball can be weird, and thats why were always coached to TAKE THE EASY OUT! flipping Pirates

They clarified this on quick pitch last night. You are correct. It doesn’t matter how many runs cross home plate. So long as the batter doesn’t touch first base, none of those runs counts. It’s why every team makes the batter reach first base in walk-off hit situations.

What if it’s bases loaded, tie game, bottom of the ninth, pitcher beans batter in the head and he dies

If a runner is injured while running the bases while the ball is dead, they can be substituted.

This happened once during a Red Sox game when the lead runner after a home run tore his Achilles tendon:

Lenny is wrong.

Gabe Kapler is a p*ssy.

I didn’t realize they were letting pitchers wear single digit numbers that long ago.

Bammer wrote:Lenny is wrong.

Gabe Kapler is a p*ssy.

I didn’t realize they were letting pitchers wear single digit numbers that long ago.

shut the hell up

Bammer wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

MadTIGERmaN wrote:I was always under the impression no runs would ever count, if the 3rd out was recorded before the batter reaches 1st base. It does not matter if hes tagged out or forced out, he HAS to reach first base for any run to count. AND I believe thats true for all bases if a force is in play. So, bases loaded, ground ball to 3rd, he proceeds to get the runner between 2nd and 3rd in a run down. Runner going home crosses the plate before the runner is tagged out, does not count, as the runner between 2nd and 3rd failed to advance 1 base

We're getting into fourth out territory with the scenarios you're describing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

EDIT: Meaning, no, in the bolded scenario, the play isn't actually over when that runner is tagged--if the defensive team leaves the field, the run counts because it's a "time play," i.e., the umpires decide which event happened first--the tag or the run--and if it's the run, it counts. But if the team throws to first and gets the force out, both the run AND the tag are wiped off the record, because the force out overrules everything.

TL;DR: baseball can be weird.

No no, I was talking about every single runner, who is in a force situation, having to advance one base successfully for any run to count.
Someone back a page on here, said if the run scores before the TAG is applied, the run counts, but if the run scores before the force at the base happens then it does not. I'm pretty sure the run does not count in either situation. The batter must successfully reach first base safely for any run to count. I'm pretty sure this rule applies in all "force out" situations. But as you said, baseball can be weird, and thats why were always coached to TAKE THE EASY OUT! flipping Pirates

They clarified this on quick pitch last night. You are correct. It doesn’t matter how many runs cross home plate. So long as the batter doesn’t touch first base, none of those runs counts. It’s why every team makes the batter reach first base in walk-off hit situations.

What if it’s bases loaded, tie game, bottom of the ninth, pitcher beans batter in the head and he dies

There was a famous extra inning game back in the 50s, Braves vs Pirates maybe? (Its always the pirates) I believe, Joe Adcock was up with Hank Aaron on 1st, and someone else on 2nd and 2 outs. Joe hit a walk off home run in the whatever-inning, however, this was back when County Stadium still only had a chain link fence for an outfield fence. Aaron, THOUGHT, the ball bounced over the fence for a ground rule double. So when he got to 2nd, he stopped running and went in to join the celebration. When Adcock passed 2nd, he officially passed Aaron creating the 3rd out in the inning. He was only credited with a RBI single to win the game, not a 3 run home run.

I've heard Uecker talk about that one so many times I could be slightly off, but I'm pretty sure I remember him joking that its a good thing Adcock at least went to first or they may have played another 10 innings.

That happened to the Mets in the playoffs once. Skip to 1:40 in the video below. When the team rushed the field, Ventura stopped after touching first, so this was a walk-off single even though it was a grand slam:

Marcell Ozuna arrested for aggravated assault by strangulation and misdemeanor family violence battery.

that's incredible

Props to MLB for letting guys hang in the dugout like normal human beings while NBA has players in their special little bubbles with masks on the sideline fuck you NBA