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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 05, 2018 10:39 pm
by 96583UP
throwing rocks at the beehive so he loses his chit and they lose both houses of congress in the midterms

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 05, 2018 10:43 pm
by Strat
cutuphalfdead wrote:The Atlantic nails it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/569443/
Impeachment is a constitutional mechanism. The Twenty-Fifth Amendment is a constitutional mechanism. Mass resignations followed by voluntary testimony to congressional committees are a constitutional mechanism. Overt defiance of presidential authority by the president’s own appointees—now that’s a constitutional crisis.

If the president’s closest advisers believe that he is morally and intellectually unfit for his high office, they have a duty to do their utmost to remove him from it, by the lawful means at hand. That duty may be risky to their careers in government or afterward. But on their first day at work, they swore an oath to defend the Constitution—and there were no “riskiness” exemptions in the text of that oath.

On Wednesday, though, a “senior official in the Trump administration” published an anonymous op-ed in The New York Times, writing:

Many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations. I would know. I am one of them.

The author of the anonymous op-ed is hoping to vindicate the reputation of like-minded senior Trump staffers. See, we only look complicit! Actually, we’re the real heroes of the story.

But what the author has just done is throw the government of the United States into even more dangerous turmoil. He or she has enflamed the paranoia of the president and empowered the president’s willfulness.

What happens the next time a staffer seeks to dissuade the president from, say, purging the Justice Department to shut down the Mueller investigation? The author of the Times op-ed has explicitly told the president that those who offer such advice do not have the president’s best interests at heart, and are, in fact, actively subverting his best interests as he understands them on behalf of ideas of their own.

He’ll grow more defiant, more reckless, more anti-constitutional, and more dangerous.

And those who do not quit or are not fired in the next few days will have to work even more assiduously to prove themselves loyal, obedient, and on the team. Things will be worse after this piece. They will be worse because of this piece.

The new Bob Woodward book set the bad precedent. The high official who thought the president so addled that he would not remember the paper he snatched off his desk? Those who thought the president stupid, ignorant, beholden to Russia—and then exited the administration to return to their comfortable, lucrative occupations? Who substituted deep-background gripe sessions with a reporter for offering detailed proof of presidential unfitness, or worse, before the House or Senate? Yes, better than the robotic servility of the public record. But only slightly.

What would be better?

Speak in your own name. Resign in a way that will count. Present the evidence that will justify an invocation of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment, or an impeachment, or at the very least, the first necessary step toward either outcome, a Democratic Congress after the November elections.

Your service in government is valuable. Thank you for it. But it is not so indispensable that it can compensate for the continuing tenure of a president you believe to be amoral, untruthful, irrational, anti-democratic, unpatriotic, and dangerous. Previous generations of Americans have sacrificed fortunes, health, and lives to serve the country. You are asked only to tell the truth aloud and with your name attached.
That last paragraph summed up how my gut felt when i read the op-ed.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 05, 2018 10:56 pm
by tragabigzanda
word

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 05, 2018 11:00 pm
by doone
BurtReynolds wrote:what was the purpose of this editorial? To give Trump a heads up that people in his administration are against him? He's just going to be more unmanageable and paranoid now.
Distraction noodle

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 05, 2018 11:00 pm
by McParadigm
Sr Fellow from the Brookings Inst.

In any other administration, I’d be sure he was right. These people are entirely too bluntly self-serving to draw this conclusion with real certainty, IMHO, but still worth a consider.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 05, 2018 11:34 pm
by McParadigm
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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:15 am
by Simple Torture
McParadigm wrote:
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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:32 am
by Strat
lol. national security purposes

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:35 am
by McParadigm
Holy shit, that is not funny

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:39 am
by Norah
i know this gets thrown out a lot these days, but that's literally what a despot does

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:41 am
by Strat
cutuphalfdead wrote:i know this gets thrown out a lot these days, but that's literally what a despot does
Ye, i think people can stop pussyfootin' about it now.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:43 am
by Simple Torture
There is a 0% chance that he actually read that op-ed.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:48 am
by Strat
Simple Torture wrote:There is a 0% chance that he actually read that op-ed.
He probably wrote it

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 12:48 am
by Strat

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 1:20 am
by 96583UP
maybe if he won't allow himself to be interviewed by Mueller directly they can bait him into a similar result via public discourse

and i don't blame these people for not making their names known, they'll just be fired and replaced by someone waaaay shittier so better that they have a chance to remain in the white house in the meantime and keep fucking his shit up

the self-servingness of the tone is likely a function of them being youngsters

give 'im hell kiddies!

at what point does america hold the republican party accountable for not disposing of this asswipe?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 1:35 am
by oasisfan35
Strat wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:There is a 0% chance that he actually read that op-ed.
He probably wrote it
Nope, spelled counsel correctly.

Edit: Curious if Trump would believe that if he were to begin talking and tweeting entirely in the third person that that would shield him from implicating himself.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 1:57 am
by McParadigm
Guys, the editorial basically says the president doesn’t have object permanence and all anyone wants to do is debate whether the author is just a coward or in fact a cowardly asshole.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 2:44 am
by doug rr
dan coates, eh? nice

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 3:10 am
by doug rr
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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 06, 2018 7:04 am
by BurtReynolds