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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Sat October 08, 2016 3:11 pm
by epilogue
I'm saving these for my travels tomorrow. I'm gonna need something to get me through.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Sun October 09, 2016 2:15 pm
by dimejinky99
I wonder who the 9 RMers are who voted this best of all the films?

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Sun October 09, 2016 2:30 pm
by LoathedVermin72
I assume they've all been banned.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Sun October 09, 2016 3:59 pm
by dimejinky99
LoathedVermin72 wrote:I assume they've all been banned.

Like you don't have 8 other accounts :roll:

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 7:30 pm
by epilogue
I've listened to the Story and Star Wars lectures up through Clones. These are fantastic. I have a fundamental disagreement with him in regards to his emphasis on what is or is not Star Wars. But I get what he's saying. And in the context of that idea, I don't disagree with him. But I hate the idea at a base level. I can't imagine an argument that could sway me toward that way of thinking, whether we're talking about Star Wars or Star Trek or whatever else.

But, putting that aside, I love his take on these films. I love looking at them from a story structure standpoint and I think he's dead on about 98% of the time.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 7:38 pm
by stip
what do you make of his fantasy/sci-fi distinction?

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 7:45 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:what do you make of his fantasy/sci-fi distinction?
Made some sense to me. Though, again, he's starting from this idea of speculative fiction not being based in the real world and being purely imagination, which I don't agree with. The definition of speculative fiction that I've always been taught and used is that, speculative fiction differs from science fiction (not that one is a sub-category of the other) in that speculative fiction is based in the real world and speculates possible likely futures. Think, Margaret Atwood.

So, I don't totally agree with the foundation of that part of the discussion. But within his own breakdown I think I agree with his definition.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 8:29 pm
by dimejinky99
His 2 breakdown episodes of force awakens were both so brilliant. The whole thing about the new hope comparisons and idea that 'were standing in the same place but were looking the opposite way'. Stuff like that made me see it in whole new ways I hadn't thought of.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 8:30 pm
by dimejinky99
Also he's planning a series on lord of the rings both books and films. I'm definitely up for that. He really knows his stuff.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:07 pm
by epilogue
I love his breakdown of Phantom Menace and how the political stuff that everyone hates so much is actually the whole point. I've been saying that shit since 1999. And he nails it.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:36 pm
by epilogue
"There is a desire for ranking among the nerd community."

Truer words have never been spoken. :lol:

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:43 pm
by dimejinky99
stip wrote:what do you make of his fantasy/sci-fi distinction?

Lucas said from day one though that Star Wars isn't sci-fi but rather it is space fantasy. This guy didn't come up with that at all.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:43 pm
by dimejinky99
durdencommatyler wrote:I love his breakdown of Phantom Menace and how the political stuff that everyone hates so much is actually the whole point. I've been saying that shit since 1999. And he nails it.

I didn't listen to that one. Too soon.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:45 pm
by epilogue
dimejinky99 wrote:
stip wrote:what do you make of his fantasy/sci-fi distinction?

Lucas said from day one though that Star Wars isn't sci-fi but rather it is space fantasy. This guy didn't come up with that at all.
Stip's talking about how Alastair defines and distiguishes between the two terms/genres, dime. He's not giving Alastair credit for anything.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:46 pm
by epilogue
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I love his breakdown of Phantom Menace and how the political stuff that everyone hates so much is actually the whole point. I've been saying that shit since 1999. And he nails it.

I didn't listen to that one. Too soon.
It's probably my favorite one, so far. I've been listening to them in order.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:48 pm
by epilogue
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I love his breakdown of Phantom Menace and how the political stuff that everyone hates so much is actually the whole point. I've been saying that shit since 1999. And he nails it.

I didn't listen to that one. Too soon.
It's probably my favorite one, so far. I've been listening to them in order.
Well, that one or the one on Jedi. Both of those are outstanding.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:50 pm
by dimejinky99
Sorry. I just have missed that one too. Are we definitely talking about the same podcast?
Though I haven't seriously listened to any outside the FA. I wanna do them all again.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:55 pm
by epilogue
dimejinky99 wrote:Sorry. I just have missed that one too. Are we definitely talking about the same podcast?
Though I haven't seriously listened to any outside the FA. I wanna do them all again.
I have no idea. I'm talking about Alastair's Storywonk series called Story and Star Wars. He does one lecture on each film and between the two trilogies he did a live podcast where he answers questions and stuff.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 9:58 pm
by epilogue
I do disagree with him a bit on Jar Jar's arc. Maybe he's right but I'd love to talk to him about it in person.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

Posted: Mon October 10, 2016 10:54 pm
by dimejinky99
That's the one. I love his take.